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I never been in a 197 or a 200 so im going by what i've read. which is the 197 has a flatspot usually from 1500-3000rpm.
I hear a few things here and there about the 200 but i've never seen anyone have any problems with the two apart from MPG lol. Have a search and a quick little read
I hear a few things here and there about the 200 but i've never seen anyone have any problems with the two apart from MPG lol. Have a search and a quick little read
megane 285 sport
200 has slightly more torque mid range, suspose to slightly better on mpg too, the 200 cup/pack suspension is stiffer than 197 cup/pack but the 200FF suspension is softer the 197FF.
R56 JCW
^ As VXR says.
I have driven a friends 197 without cup chassis, and compared it to my 200 with cup chassis - there is a difference with more torque mid range and has more of a kick at 5krpm.
Steering is also quicker with the cup pack as they have quicker steering racks, and also, prove to be quicker on track.
MPG? they're both the same - woeful for the performance. but oh well, that isn't the reason you buy these cars.
I have driven a friends 197 without cup chassis, and compared it to my 200 with cup chassis - there is a difference with more torque mid range and has more of a kick at 5krpm.
Steering is also quicker with the cup pack as they have quicker steering racks, and also, prove to be quicker on track.
MPG? they're both the same - woeful for the performance. but oh well, that isn't the reason you buy these cars.
Knuckles
ClioSport Admin
200 was given a quicker steering rack, the cup and cup packed (ff) cars were given stiffer springs and dampers and there was a map for slightly more low down torque.
Apart from that (and the ugly front end) they're the same.
Same flat spot
same mpg
same gearbox (57 onwards)
same s**t material on the recaros
id just go for the best spec you can find/afford be it a 197 or 200
Apart from that (and the ugly front end) they're the same.
Same flat spot
same mpg
same gearbox (57 onwards)
same s**t material on the recaros
id just go for the best spec you can find/afford be it a 197 or 200
Golf 7.5R & Clio 200
Yeah, the 197's are ugly arne;t they?
I happen the think 197's from a distance look too similar to 1.2's. Especially if they have no spoiler, don't think my mum would be able to tell the difference.
Knuckles
ClioSport Admin
I must admit. I confuse all RS clios with non sports unless they're blatantly an RS (ly, ag, inferno, rb, cup spoiler etc)
if I see a dull coloured/low spec RS on the road I do occasionally mistake them for non sports.
I mistake ph2 mk3s for 200s more though because of the lights and black bit
if I see a dull coloured/low spec RS on the road I do occasionally mistake them for non sports.
I mistake ph2 mk3s for 200s more though because of the lights and black bit
RB 182 195bhp
I want something a little newer and up to date, but I also want more low down urge and ideally a little more pace than mine, I know the 197's are no faster in a straight line, but the chassis tweaks would be nice, I think im just worried the 197 won't deliver on my hopes and be slower than what I have atm
Golf 7.5R & Clio 200
Its a more mature version of what you have now, much more refined. It will feel heavier and perhaps slower, but its not.
Much like when going 100mph in a BMW 3 Series, it feels slow. Doing that in your 172 would feel like the cars falling apart and you're going really fast.
megane 285 sport
they actually changed the gearbox on the 197 after the original (2006-2007) had too shorter gears (every gear) so they revised the box, first three gears are short ratio and lengthed the other three, i beleive the 200 also uses the same box.
Knuckles
ClioSport Admin
Yup, after the initial gearbox revision they're all the same.
Id hate to drive an early 197 as I find myself changing gear enough as it is
i had a quick go of a friends 200 and I noticed no difference whatsoever. Bar the noise as his exhaust was louder
Id hate to drive an early 197 as I find myself changing gear enough as it is
i had a quick go of a friends 200 and I noticed no difference whatsoever. Bar the noise as his exhaust was louder
megane 285 sport
i had the earlier box, well i think i did, and i loved it. everyones different i suspose
Knuckles
ClioSport Admin
I find my ratios close enough as it is, 3.5k at 70 is still silly rpm though haha
was yours your daily?
was yours your daily?
Chrisgti6
ClioSport Club Member
Too many
Got to agree, it's crazy! The wifes Ibiza is doing about 2k at 70mph (it is a 7 speed though!)
Knuckles
ClioSport Admin
Lazy vag
my boss' 3.0 a5 does 1.5k iirc at 70/80 in 7th lol!
my boss' 3.0 a5 does 1.5k iirc at 70/80 in 7th lol!
MarkCup
ClioSport Club Member
Is it a problem for you if it is slower?
I went from a 172 Cup to a 200, it didn't feel as fast and required far more commitment to experience the same fun levels - more grip/composure so a higher speed needed to get it moving about.
On trackdays I had no trouble staying with 172/182s down the straights so them actually being slower is a bit of a myth in my opinion.
Ultimately though it is a 'better' car.
How you define 'better' will determine if you should make the move or not. Nothing else matters.
Chrisgti6
ClioSport Club Member
Too many
That's no way to talk about my wife! lol
Knuckles
ClioSport Admin
Golf 7.5R & Clio 200
That does get rather annoying. Lucky I only go above 50mph on the way to work for about half a mile lol
JCW
I personally think that the 197 would be a nice move from your cup.
