197s

[Liquid yellow 182]

So I test drove a 197 earlier to see if how they handle to see if I like them or not, it's £7.5k with 25k on the clock in UR. However when on the test drive I didn't think the acceleration was as quick as I was expecting, admittedly I currently have an R26 with a turbo however I'm pretty sure my old 182 had more torque than this 197 did. Are they all slightly sluggish or is it just this one I drove today? I was however impressed with the handling as it felt very solid. cheers.

 

[gex23]

It's the weight that kills them IMO (you'll also struggle to get any better MPG out of the 197 over the R26).

This is coming from a former 197, now R26.

 

[not normal dan]

They feel slower but I don't think they are, there a bigger an better built car then the old ph2's an with the 6 speed box I think you have to work it more. I went from a 172 to a 197 an felt the same but when pushed it really moves coupled with the awesome handling an stopping power I think there awesome. I have since gone back to a 182 trophy purely down to purchasing a house. One thing I will say is the fuel comsuption is abit naff I usually saw around 28mpg day to day an I only saw 32-35mpg on the motorway due to 4000rpm at 70 due to gearbox ratio's. I will have another 197/200 in time maybe, also parts costs are a little higher then you ph2's.

 

[Munson]

The one I drove felt the same. It never really felt like it wanted to go anywhere. I waited for the fabled high rpm power, but it never came. I was waiting for the rev limiter. Not slow, but definitely lacking punch. The 200 gays will have you believe their cars have an extra 200lb/ft but personally I don't believe it.

Vastly superior grip and stability over a MkII shed though.

 

[not normal dan]

The one I drove felt the same. It never really felt like it wanted to go anywhere. I waited for the fabled high rpm power, but it never came. I was waiting for the rev limiter. Not slow, but definitely lacking punch. The 200 gays will have you believe their cars have an extra 200lb/ft but personally I don't believe it.

Vastly superior grip and stability over a MkII shed though.

The power curve is alot smoother but I used to like that, I think done a country b road or on track the 197/200 would be quicker then the old ph2 purely down to the handling an braking performance

 

[Terzo204]

A 182 feels much quicker in a straight line. I think the 197 lacks torque but the additional refinement makes it feel much slower then it is.

Great handling though.

Mike

 

[Knuckles]

what was the spec for £7.5k?

it may be just coming from an R26. i've never driven a 1*2 properly but whenever ive been out with them, my 197 has been just as quick if not marginally quicker (than one example i had a play with).

apparently they handle better than 1*2s, you can take more speed into corners.

but you will get a similar mpg to the r26 with a hell of a lot less power/torque

 

[Matt W]

My 200 feels quicker than my 172 cup did.... But 26mpg is shite.

 

[theduck]

I need to dig out the graphs but in sure my 172 has higher peak torque than my 197 did. Best bit about the 197 is the brakes tbh.

 

[gex23]

My 172 cup felt and probably was quicker than my 197....AND got 35mpg +. Also parts and servicing were more reasonable.

Maybe mine was just shite

 

[Liquid yellow 182]

what was the spec for £7.5k?

it may be just coming from an R26. i've never driven a 1*2 properly but whenever ive been out with them, my 197 has been just as quick if not marginally quicker (than one example i had a play with).

apparently they handle better than 1*2s, you can take more speed into corners.

but you will get a similar mpg to the r26 with a hell of a lot less power/torque

It was this one:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...w/page/1/postcode/nr134qs/radius/60?logcode=p

Also seen this one but do have my eye on UR but would like xenons and recaros!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...w/page/1/postcode/nr134qs/radius/60?logcode=p

 

[Knuckles]

fuuuuuuuu

that first one isnt worth £7.5k in my (and im guessing cs's) opinion

why dont you look for an r27? has recaros and cup chassis as standard, then you just need to find one that has the options you want

 

[gex23]

^ Agreed, R27 is the way to go. If not, at least cup chassis and Recaros - they'll make a huge difference to both your enjoyment and re-sale value.

Just not Liquid Yellow

 

[Knuckles]

the whole reason i went for an r27 was because i couldnt be arsed to find one with recaros, cup chassis, xenons, auto everything and climate... and i wanted lellow

 

[MarkCup]

They feel sluggish from low revs, crap torque and extra weight mean they'll always struggle.

Straight line once rolling though, and there's nothing in it between a 197/200 and a 1*2.

 

[Brett]

I think the close ratio box on the 197/200 helps. The 1*2 would be a lot better with an extra cog, faster gearchange and shorter ratio's.

I still need to try a Mk3.

 

[Josh-197]

Get it up to 4000revs and it comes alive

 

[aucky]

Not THAT alive though, that's the problem.

 

[Josh-197]

Mine is it puts a smile on my face anyways, someone told me ones you have got to know how to drive them to get the best out of them, I'm still working onit lol

 

[LiamR172]

Ive never driven a 197 but ive had a play with a few in my 172 and i was all over them.

I reckon if your going for a mk3 it would be a 200 or a R27 tbh.

 

[Gaz_]

The one I drove felt the same. It never really felt like it wanted to go anywhere. I waited for the fabled high rpm power, but it never came. I was waiting for the rev limiter. Not slow, but definitely lacking punch. The 200 gays will have you believe their cars have an extra 200lb/ft but personally I don't believe it.

Vastly superior grip and stability over a MkII shed though.

Aint that the truth!

 

[bmit]

[Find one with a few more miles . Mine felt noticeably better after 30k

 

[gez 172]

Same, mines now on 13K and feels completely different to when it was in its first 10K

Id never go back to a 1*2

 

[Gaz_]

I'd only go back for a financial reason

 

[theduck]

If my 172 had equivalent brakes to the the 197 then I'd be happy tbh. I prefer driving the 172 daily more than I ever did the 197, just miss those brakes!

 

[suckmykiss]

Only way I'd have a mk 3 is with a 200.. I prefer the look.. Going from an r26 I'd go for a veeee..

 

[aldo_87]

I test drove one too, was a little disappointed with the low end torque. However, we all know they are very capable cars when you're pushing on! Ended up with a 182.