Air Filter or Induction Kit?

[MDP91]

Hey,

Ive been thinking of buying an induction kit for my 1.2 16v Clio for a little while now. Not because I want any better performance as I know that just shouldnt be expected but because I want it to sound a bit more than it does currently. Basically, Ive been told im better off buying a performance air filter rather than an induction kit?
I am considering this, as Ive noticed I will need to buy an adapter plate to fit the induction kit, where as the filter is a straight swap.
Any thoughts?

Thanks,

 

[BioHzrd]

Just get a filter less money n quick and easy !

 

[MDP91]

Just get a filter less money n quick and easy !

Will it make any difference to the noise like an induction kit? As the airflow is still going to be coming through the standard restricted pipe.

 

[ClioChloe.]

A panel filter would probably give you a slightly better gain, but a enclosed induction would probably give you the same gain with a little noise.

People are skeptical about open filters and all the " Heat soak " etc, but i personally dont see the problem, a open filter will give a fantastic noise, and with a stainless steel heat shield (about £13) should give a small gain aswell

 

[BioHzrd]

if you want noise drill a couple holes in the filter lid...

 

[MDP91]

A panel filter would probably give you a slightly better gain, but a enclosed induction would probably give you the same gain with a little noise.

People are skeptical about open filters and all the " Heat soak " etc, but i personally dont see the problem, a open filter will give a fantastic noise, and with a stainless steel heat shield (about £13) should give a small gain aswell

Dont want to sound like a slow one, because I dont have alot experience when it comes to this kind of thing. But whats an open filter compared to just changing the standard filter?

 

[BioHzrd]

Open filters just a cone sittin in the pay sucking in hot air, enclosed is where said cone or whatever shape in enclosed in a houseing with a cold air feed to it.

 

[ClioChloe.]

Dont want to sound like a slow one, because I dont have alot experience when it comes to this kind of thing. But whats an open filter compared to just changing the standard filter?

Changing the standard filter would just be using a filter of the standard design, but with slightly better flow than a normal OE one from a motor factors for example. K and N, Pipercross, BMC make performance ones.

An open filter gets rid of all the standard filter housing, and just puts a "open filter" on the end of the throttle body. Now heat soak is when the radiating heat from the engine, is sucked into the filter, and this causes bad performance as hot air isnt as dense as cold air, so there is basically less oxygen in hot air.

A heat shield will reflect some of this heat, and some extra ducting would also provide a supply of cold air.

Enclosed are what i would go for, not as loud as a open filter, but will give a better gain, and still sound good. look at ITG, BMC, Raceland etc

 

[BioHzrd]

Changing the standard filter would just be using a filter of the standard design, but with slightly better flow than a normal OE one from a motor factors for example. K and N, Pipercross, BMC make performance ones.

An open filter gets rid of all the standard filter housing, and just puts a "open filter" on the end of the throttle body. Now heat soak is when the radiating heat from the engine, is sucked into the filter, and this causes bad performance as hot air isnt as dense as cold air, so there is basically less oxygen in hot air.

A heat shield will reflect some of this heat, and some extra ducting would also provide a supply of cold air.

Enclosed are what i would go for, not as loud as a open filter, but will give a better gain, and still sound good. look at ITG, BMC, Raceland etc

BMC CDAs give a good grunt or at least mine does on my 1.6 but there not cheap mind you !

 

[ClioChloe.]

BMC CDAs give a good grunt or at least mine does on my 1.6 but there not cheap mind you !

Yepp . I am a fan of the Gen2 personally, epic price tag though.

Pipercross viper is pretty good also

 

[MDP91]

Ok thanks lads. So bascially im best off with what I my mate told me, just to change the standard air filter with a performance one?

 

[BioHzrd]

yes and if you want noise drill a hole or two in the cover lol !

 

[ClioChloe.]

Ok thanks lads. So bascially im best off with what I my mate told me, just to change the standard air filter with a performance one?

Yes but it wont give it any noise, could drill holes in the air box lid (90s mod! lol) But if you want a cheap enclosed one then look at halfords lol

Ripspeed do a fake version of the BMC CDA, its £40, it basically the same, just without being made of real carbon fibre, and the construction isnt as good.

Still nothing wrong with it imo and its still built from the same principle and is of the same design :y:

 

[Ronnie R]

Yes

 

[ClioChloe.]

Oops, double post. delete please.

 

[MDP91]

Yes but it wont give it any noise, could drill holes in the air box lid (90s mod! lol) But if you want a cheap enclosed one then look at halfords lol

Ripspeed do a fake version of the BMC CDA, its £40, it basically the same, just without being made of real carbon fibre, and the construction isnt as good.

Still nothing wrong with it imo and its still built from the same principle and is of the same design :y:

Ok, and wheres the best place to buy an atapter plate from? lol, sorry i feel so dumb

 

[ClioChloe.]

Ok, and wheres the best place to buy an atapter plate from? lol, sorry i feel so dumb

Not really upto speed on clios specifically yet, dont know what you mean by adapter plate, will learn something new here

Is it like an adapter ring?

 

[MDP91]

Not really upto speed on clios specifically yet, dont know what you mean by adapter plate, will learn something new here

Is it like an adapter ring?

Ummm hard for me to explain without pics, maybe someone who knows will explain but bascially unlike my mate who drive pugs and fords its not as simple as removing the old induction pipe and filter, on an MK2 clio its alot different, i'll have to take some pics I think.

 

[ClioChloe.]

Ummm hard for me to explain without pics, maybe someone who knows will explain but bascially unlike my mate who drive pugs and fords its not as simple as removing the old induction pipe and filter, on an MK2 clio its alot different, i'll have to take some pics I think.

KK, used to other cars, will have to learn clios

 

[BioHzrd]

Ummm hard for me to explain without pics, maybe someone who knows will explain but bascially unlike my mate who drive pugs and fords its not as simple as removing the old induction pipe and filter, on an MK2 clio its alot different, i'll have to take some pics I think.

You can get them from K-Tec but they aint cheap !

 

[ClioChloe.]

How come you need one of these adapter plates? :S

 

[MDP91]

KK, used to other cars, will have to learn clios

One of these mate

http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2631

 

[Beef-Mc]

Mk2 Clio's upto 2004 need one of these.

http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2631

Cars after 2004 got a different engine so don't require it.

 

[MDP91]

Basically this

http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=1013

instead of:
http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=1947

 

[BioHzrd]

How come you need one of these adapter plates? :S

Cause they have a weird throttle bodie placment if i remeber right so the airbox is set up weirdly !

 

[ClioChloe.]

Is it the same with enclosed induction kits? Or just open ones?

Has someone got a picture of a pre-2004 TB?

 

[Beef-Mc]

All induction kits, pre 2004 engine setup was complete w**k really.

 

[BioHzrd]

Is it the same with enclosed induction kits? Or just open ones?

Has someone got a picture of a pre-2004 TB?

Nope but all you need to know is its pritty much behind the engine lol up agains the bulkhead

 

[ClioChloe.]

Nope but all you need to know is its pritty much behind the engine lol up agains the bulkhead

Ahh, understand now

Do you need a plate for a BMC or ITG or Viper? Since its just a hose and not a whole filter?

 

[BioHzrd]

Dunno you might very well do ! i dont know the Ph2 engine bay at all so im not much help nethin bout the Mk3 i could tell you though lol !

 

[MDP91]

Basically if you have a pre 2004 MK2 Clio then you will need a plate adapter if your going to fit an induction kit.

 

[Jimbo-Clio]

do what bio said. chuck a cheap performance panel filter in there then drill the air box with 6 holes ( 3 lines of 3) will get a good noise and good flow if u change the pipe aswell it proberly wouldent be far off a pipercross viper etc in terms of performance most induction kits dnt do huge amounts

 

[paulos]

panel filter all the way. better at doing the job. Unless you have a turbo iirc you can get power losses with induction kits. Also they tend to be more expensive.

 

[MDP91]

Ok, I may do that then, but when I come to resell my car in a couple of years how easy is it to get hold of a new, unholed air box? lol

 

[JCC]

If it's purely for noise, and your not bothered about mayble losing 1 - 2 bhp then just stick an open cone in it.