AUX belt change, tool required?

[Gray]

A few weeks ago i brought Cam belt kit, Cam timing tool and Aux belt kit

Took it to a friends garage this weekend, he fitted the cambelt kit fine but then said...

Sorry mate i couldnt do the Aux belt looks like you need some kind of special tool? :dead:

I thought the only "special" tool required was for the cambelt timing?

So is he telling porky pies or not?

 

[Fred@BTM]

no he tells the truth

 

[Fred@BTM]

how could he do the cambelt without removing and refitting the aux belt???

 

[Gray]

no he tells the truth

So you do need a special tool?

What is thie tool?

 

[Gray]

how could he do the cambelt without removing and refitting the aux belt???

I am not sure to be honest...

I left the car with him for one afternoon til the next mornin, i came to collect and he just said i couldnt do the AUX belt you need a special tool, which i havent got?

But if i get the tool he said he will fit the AUX belt kit

 

[Fred@BTM]

erm its basically a flat bar (3mm thick) 2inches wide and about 2-3ft long with a 3/8's square drive bit on the end about 3/4's of an inch long

 

[Fred@BTM]

how could he do the cambelt without removing and refitting the aux belt???

I am not sure to be honest...

I left the car with him for one afternoon til the next mornin, i came to collect and he just said i couldnt do the AUX belt you need a special tool, which i havent got?

But if i get the tool he said he will fit the AUX belt kit

well there's zero chance he's changed the cambelt then IMO

 

[Gray]

erm its basically a flat bar (3mm thick) 2inches wide and about 2-3ft long with a 3/8's square drive bit on the end about 3/4's of an inch long

Doesnt sound too technical...
Dont suppose youve got a photo of the tool? and or some exact measurements, i mite get one made at work LOL!

 

[Fred@BTM]

all you need is the 3/8's bit and then you can weld that to a flat bar

 

[Gray]

well there's zero chance he's changed the cambelt then IMO

So you seem to think a cambelt kit cant be fitted without doing the AUX belt aswell?

The bloke is a trusted mechanic, known him for a while.. I dont think he would do me like that? :S

 

[Fred@BTM]

you HAVE to remove the aux belt to do the cambelt, its IMPOSSIBLE otherwise

 

[ben24]

looks like u have been shafted fella , why 3/8 , whats that 10mm 13mm ??

 

[Fred@BTM]

3/8's drive (rachet size) ie the sqaure bit you attach your sockets to, thats the size of the hole on the tensioner

 

[ben24]

i could just use my breaker bar then ???

 

[Fred@BTM]

you'll never get it in there! its too tight (ooo errrrr!)

 

[Gray]

you HAVE to remove the aux belt to do the cambelt, its IMPOSSIBLE otherwise

f**king hell....

I am sure he' s done it though, the core plugs on the side of the engine have been taken out and all the engine mount assembly has been removed..

I shall be giving him a ring first thing in the morning, getting the tool made at work and personally watching him change the AUX belt!

Also Fred do you reccommend changing the water pump at the same time?

Thanks for all you info :hail: :hail:

 

[Gray]

you'll never get it in there! its too tight (ooo errrrr!)

Thats what all the ladies say.... (or men, which ever way your inclined :rasp: )

 

[Fred@BTM]

yeah water pump is worth changing

i just don't understand, he 100% HAS to remove the aux belt to change the cambelt, so why not put the new one on (somehow, i have no idea how he would've done it)

 

[Fred@BTM]

hell i might even start making the auxbelt tool myself!

 

[Gray]

yeah water pump is worth changing

i just don't understand, he 100% HAS to remove the aux belt to change the cambelt, so why not put the new one on (somehow, i have no idea how he would've done it)

I am in the same position as you... i can get my head around how he did it aswell?

TBH i am thinking he didnt give himself enough time to complete the job as he had to leave at 12:30 on sat morning when i came to collect the car?

Its really pissed me off because he is normally a top bloke, he said he had never done a clio 172 before, but had a look over it first and agreed to the job and has good garage facilties!

 

[Gray]

hell i might even start making the auxbelt tool myself!

Want a business partner 50/50 hahaa

 

[SBV116]

you'll never get it in there! its too tight (ooo errrrr!)

your not trying hard enough fred! I can get a 3/8 drive long ratchet and tiny extension bar in there!!

 

[Anonymous]

you'll never get it in there! its too tight (ooo errrrr!)

your not trying hard enough fred! I can get a 3/8 drive long ratchet and tiny extension bar in there!![/quote]

Its impossible. I spent 2 hrs trying yesterday

 

[ben24]

so are u saying that there is nothing alse out there , e.g a breaker bar that will do th ejob , it has to be the exaxt tool to do it ???


Ben

 

[Anonymous]

Not sure Ben, I have decided to remove my engine to do it

You need this tool mate MOT 1368

http://www.getflat.co.uk/pics/3286A-6.pdf

 

[geesus69]

im gonna have to look at the valver this weekend, ive put the bloody engine in and didnt fit aux belt! im gonna be sooo annoyed if it has to come out to fit it!

 

[edde]

your not trying hard enough fred! I can get a 3/8 drive long ratchet and tiny extension bar in there!![/quote]

Its impossible. I spent 2 hrs trying yesterday

Its not just got to have the tools.

 

[geesus69]

any tips edde?

 

[Dcds4]

you can buy aux tension tools for about a tenner, ive just been looking at them, shame i cant wait for delivery, have to make one, will a flat bar 5mmx500mmx20mm with a 3/8 square piece of steel welded on do? Or even cut up an old 3/8s ratchet and weld that on? How far out does it need to stick 10/15mm?

 

[geesus69]

you can buy aux tension tools for about a tenner, ive just been looking at them, shame i cant wait for delivery, have to make one, will a flat bar 5mmx500mmx20mm with a 3/8 square piece of steel welded on do? Or even cut up an old 3/8s ratchet and weld that on? How far out does it need to stick 10/15mm?

can i have the link for the tension tools mate?

 

[Anonymous]

Its not just got to have the tools.

What tools? The correct tool? If so thats obvious.

But the guy stated with a 3/8 ratchet and small extension bar!
How small is this extension bar? 5mm? cause thats all the room you have got down there.

I could not even get the head of my 3/8th ratchet down there let alone with anything attached to it.

 

[SBV116]

I use a 3/8 breaker bar, with about a 10MM extension on, you have to take the engine mount of to do it! I did one yesterday!

 

[ben24]

u dont even niied to use that tool, i just changed mine without even touching the tenioner .

 

[SBV116]

^how???

 

[graham_172]

fred is correct, i fabricated one up as I wasn't going to pay £30 for the bar and you don't get the socket either.

can be done without the tool! more fluffing

 

[BenR]

^how???

You can undo the top alt support bolt and lean the alt back.

But i normally use a 1/4" ratchet with a 3/8" adaptor on it and an extension tube on the ratchet handle. Plenty of space.

 

[Dan@SJM]

^^ or you cn remove the spring, and fit the belt, and then clamp the spring down in vice or something with a jubilee clip around it then loosen it off.

Thats a lst resort mind, i.e you dont have any other tools and now dont hve a car as the aux belt is off lol...

 

[SBV116]

^how???

You can undo the top alt support bolt and lean the alt back.

But i normally use a 1/4" ratchet with a 3/8" adaptor on it and an extension tube on the ratchet handle. Plenty of space.

^^ or you cn remove the spring, and fit the belt, and then clamp the spring down in vice or something with a jubilee clip around it then loosen it off.

Thats a lst resort mind, i.e you dont have any other tools and now dont hve a car as the aux belt is off lol...

Both good points!! I bet theres some sodding compression on that spring!!!

 

[TomTom]

I bought the smallest 3/8 extension I could buy - Workshop people will know the Snap-On one I mean, dead short. Hit it with the bench grinder, Took 2/3mm off it fits a treat.

^^ or you cn remove the spring, and fit the belt, and then clamp the spring down in vice or something with a jubilee clip around it then loosen it off.

Yeah Dan if you buy a tensioner spring you should get a small metal plate in it with a cut out in each end, put it in the vice, put the tool in, and it holds it, when its fitted flick the piece off with a screwdriver and its done. Not on the cups IIRC or Ph1 whatever.