Best place for iTB's

[Dan]

Exactly what im doing!

All i need is ECU, tps adapter loom and coil pack mount

Seems like the best way to go about it mike, I'm not in a rush tbh.

Also was thinking how hard must it be to change the oil filter when it has throttle bodies on it!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yeah it does get pretty awkward for the filter change.

Best inlet for that is the 197 one, its an absolute piece of cake on my Ph1 Turbo to change the oil filter thanks to the 197 inlet

 

[Chip-mk1]

From K-Tec you can get the ECU with the kit for an extra £1K. What is the benefit of buying it? Can iTB's not be remapped onto the original ECU?

Its kind of possible on the original ECU but you wont get as good results, if you are keeping the original ECU then you would be better off with an RS2 instead of throttle bodies.

 

[Dan]

Also with these new MOT rules will throttle bodies cause it to fail due to it have the dash lights on once you change the loom?

 

[mike1pow]

apparently Ktec's Gen will not illuminate any light as it uses all of the cars original sensors (bar the TPS)

 

[marc1330]

apparently Ktec's Gen will not illuminate any light as it uses all of the cars original sensors (bar the TPS)

Yep can agree with this. No lights on my dash

 

[Cup_Phil]

Gen90 keeps the lights off - so does an omex 600 with creative use of electrical tape

 

[Chip-mk1]

For a phase 1 you wont have dash problems if you Y into the existing loom with any aftermarket management too, its only the ph2 that put the light on, my turbo doesnt have the light on.

 

[Dan]

So to ITB my 182 the best ecu to be looking at is the Gen 90?

 

[Chip-mk1]

So to ITB my 182 the best ecu to be looking at is the Gen 90?

Only in terms of keeping the light off and being easy to install, its not especially fantastic in any other way and its quite expensive and the number of people prepared to map it is fairly limited.

 

[Dan]

Ok if I was to say what are the top 3 ECUs to use what would they be?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Ok if I was to say what are the top 3 ECUs to use what would they be?

Depends on your budget, the sensible cheap option currently that springs to mind is omex600 or adaptronic as the one I would normally recomend which is the mtec v4 on my turbo is no longer available.

My personaly favourite is SM4 like on my mk1 clio, but you wont want to be buying that as its pretty pricey, lol

 

[Dan]

I heard the omex 600 is a bit crap to fit though?

 

[Chip-mk1]

I heard the omex 600 is a bit crap to fit though?

Same as any other generic aftermarket really, few hours for someone who knows what they are doing.

 

[Dan]

Same as any other generic aftermarket really, few hours for someone who knows what they are doing.

That's ok then, probably go looking for an omex 600 now then.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Sounds like a plan

 

[Andyrg@ ClioTurbo]

I have a base map or 6 for a 600 with itbs

 

[Chip-mk1]

I have a base map or 6 for a 600 with itbs

Yeah same here, very common option.

 

[Russ_16v]

My EC1 is a pretty handy ecu - only dash lights I have is due to not sorting out the seat airbag wiring again lol

 

[Chip-mk1]

As you know Russ I quite like the ec1 based on my so far quite limited amounted time mapping it. Seems quite a good Ecu

 

[Russ_16v]

As you know Russ I quite like the ec1 based on my so far quite limited amounted time mapping it. Seems quite a good Ecu

It means a lot that you think it seems a good product, given your experience with a number of different ECU's mate - will be even better when you have had some more time on it

 

[Chip-mk1]

Ha ha. Soon then no doubt mate. I'm free the week before Combe.

 

[SharkyUK]

Yep can agree with this. No lights on my dash

My dash is still lit up. When I've contacted them previously I've just been told to wait patiently as they have been working on updating the firmware, etc. I must have slipped through the net...

 

[Dan@SJM]

It means a lot that you think it seems a good product, given your experience with a number of different ECU's mate - will be even better when you have had some more time on it

Bring it down when I fit the meggy's bearing, and ill bring it back to Combe with me for you.

 

[Cup_Phil]

Omex 600 is a good starting point literally because there are a dozen of us with maps we can send you - so a days work to fit the ITB's and load the map and you're running

I'd personally steer clear of the ec-1 thing as the only company that will support it are fairly heavily slated on here
Gen90 is a nice setup for keeping lights off but again you limit yourself to mapping by companies that don't get the best reviews

That's what I like the most about Omex/DTA - you can get them mapped wherever you prefer

 

[Russ_16v]

Any decent mapper can map the ec1 mate, £100 for the dongle, a computer lead from maplins and the software is free to download from the ecu companies website.

The ec1 us the main one that Paul st RS tuning uses, and support can be had from the manufacturer, no need to bother with tdf

 

[Jay Payne]

Any decent mapper can map the ec1 mate, £100 for the dongle, a computer lead from maplins and the software is free to download from the ecu companies website.

The ec1 us the main one that Paul st RS tuning uses, and support can be had from the manufacturer, no need to bother with tdf

Was just about to say all that

 

[Toastfrenzy]

I'm getting my ECU from Canems, via Dan at 519

removed links as didn't work


Not too expensive either and will do most things and more than I need at the moment.


edit...

£500 ecu and loom 200


this link....

 

[Dan]

I'm getting my ECU from Canems, via Dan at 519


ECU

Engine loom


Not too expensive either and will do most things and more than I need at the moment.


edit...

Pah , their site is down
£500 ecu and loom 200

...try this link....or this....

The prices won't work on the site

 

[Toastfrenzy]

The prices won't work on the site

I've edited my orignal post as found them on Dans 519 site...

 

[EVOgone]

On the GEN90 with the Tuner Pro software for 150 quid does that open all features so any one can map?

 

[Cup_Phil]

Any decent mapper can map the ec1 mate, £100 for the dongle, a computer lead from maplins and the software is free to download from the ecu companies website.

The ec1 us the main one that Paul st RS tuning uses, and support can be had from the manufacturer, no need to bother with tdf

Oooh that's good to know - not how it was originally sold
It is a good bit of kit

 

[Jay Payne]

When it was first released it was advertised as a joint venture between tdf and RStuning.

​ts official name was RSForce EC1 iirc

 

[Chip-mk1]

The canems is ok price wise and that will do doubt sell them to clio owners as they seem to be very cost driven rather than quality driven, and they are quite good news for the resellers too as the margins are quite good IIRC (think of it as the ecu equivalent of a set of spax, lol) so they make as much as on a dearer ecu still, retail was just under 450 I think a guy I mapped one for fairly recently said he paid IIRC, its a bit crude in places, especially the transient fuel control, I'd take an omex personally TBH but for an application like yours toastfrenzy it will be fine, a racecar on ITBs is a very simple application so just about any ECU will do that absolutely fine, hell you could even use emerald at a push, yuck, lol.

Gen90 I believe there are two levels of software, one that gives you access to more of the ecu than the other. They are priced over the odds for what they are really but then they are easier to install so that sort of makes up for it if you are paying labour for someone to do that for you as there will be less labour involved with it being almost plug and play.

I'd personally stick to Omex or adaptronic if on a budget not because the ecu is specifically better than the other cheap options but because they are very reliable and very well supported in terms of places to map them, the last thing you want with an ECU is to end up tied down to just a handful of mappers to choose from or to have a problem and not be able to get it fixed or replaced.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Oooh that's good to know - not how it was originally sold
It is a good bit of kit

People like to stick their own label on stuff so it seems like a specific product and then they can keep the prices up more than if its available from lots of places who compete on price.

 

[Toastfrenzy]

Just looked at Adaptronics up at EFI Are you saying, Chip, that certain ECU's can't be mapped by all mappers and some are "open source" as it were?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Just looked at Adaptronics up at EFI Are you saying, Chip, that certain ECU's can't be mapped by all mappers and some are "open source" as it were?

If the software and the lead are available then it shouldnt be a problem, very few ecu's are completely dealer locked (unichip for example) but that doesnt mean all mappers will want to or will be able to do so without taking longer as they need to learn the layout etc and you end up paying for them to learn, so its better to go to something that there is already a large number of people familiar with mapping and hence you know they will get good results quickly.
Also there may be a cost with the lead, for an omex you download the software and the lead is just a serial one available for a couple of quid on ebay, for the Gen90 though by comparison or the EC1 they rape you on the price of the lead and software.

 

[EVOgone]

The canems is ok price wise and that will do doubt sell them to clio owners as they seem to be very cost driven rather than quality driven, and they are quite good news for the resellers too as the margins are quite good IIRC (think of it as the ecu equivalent of a set of spax, lol) so they make as much as on a dearer ecu still, retail was just under 450 I think a guy I mapped one for fairly recently said he paid IIRC, its a bit crude in places, especially the transient fuel control, I'd take an omex personally TBH but for an application like yours toastfrenzy it will be fine, a racecar on ITBs is a very simple application so just about any ECU will do that absolutely fine, hell you could even use emerald at a push, yuck, lol.

Gen90 I believe there are two levels of software, one that gives you access to more of the ecu than the other. They are priced over the odds for what they are really but then they are easier to install so that sort of makes up for it if you are paying labour for someone to do that for you as there will be less labour involved with it being almost plug and play.

I'd personally stick to Omex or adaptronic if on a budget not because the ecu is specifically better than the other cheap options but because they are very reliable and very well supported in terms of places to map them, the last thing you want with an ECU is to end up tied down to just a handful of mappers to choose from or to have a problem and not be able to get it fixed or replaced.

Gen 90 What does the pro software unlock ? and what is still locked ?

 

[Toastfrenzy]

If the software and the lead are available then it shouldnt be a problem, very few ecu's are completely dealer locked (unichip for example) but that doesnt mean all mappers will want to or will be able to do so without taking longer as they need to learn the layout etc and you end up paying for them to learn, so its better to go to something that there is already a large number of people familiar with mapping and hence you know they will get good results quickly.
Also there may be a cost with the lead, for an omex you download the software and the lead is just a serial one available for a couple of quid on ebay, for the Gen90 though by comparison or the EC1 they rape you on the price of the lead and software.

ah, understand better now, cheers. Bit like some software companies make you use a dongle or licence key etc that costs loads to use\unlock their software.

Still, something I wasn't that aware of and it's worth baring in mind for longevity etc..