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Buying H&R Coilovers



  R35 GTR
ME!!!! I'll find out tomorrow of the guy who is supposed to be buying them has the cash. 430 +postage.
 
  M2 Competition
If you dont have any cup packs on your car (ie it has the silver wheels) iirc you wont find coilovers that fit your car mate.

Dave, yours are for a 172 :clown:
 
  M2 Competition
Anyoldname - pm rory182 for advice, he should be able to give you the info you need, as he's had a nightmare trying to get coilovers to fit his non cup packed 182.
 
  clio 200 F4Rt
Anyoldname - pm rory182 for advice, he should be able to give you the info you need, as he's had a nightmare trying to get coilovers to fit his non cup packed 182.

Just spoke to Mike @ Motorsport wheels, who supplies H&R and he assures me that the kit for non cup 182's is the same kit as 172's. And will fit.
 
  tiTTy & SV650
well nobody has ever commited to trying it before on an un-cup'd 182, they are quite rare beasts.

The camber would be out due to the wider track of the 182 (compared to 172) so I would have thought camber bolts would be required at the very least. And if they dont provide enough of a fix then FK coilovers with built in camber adjustment AND camber bolts would be the next thing to try. Or KW.

I'm waiting for Koni adjustable shocks personally but let us know how you get on.
 
Is it not just the wheel offset that increases track?

In fact scrub that comment, 172/182 different hubs.
 
  tiTTy & SV650
un cup'd 182 has different hubs to the 182, it uses 172 hubs. But still has a wider track than the 172 due to the gubbins behind the wheels (ARB etc). the 182 has a 12mm wider track up front compared to the 172 and 16mm at the back. Different castor angle too.
 

Gaz_

ClioSport Club Member
  Extreme mode
thats the million dollar question i've always wanted to know. We all know that a Cup has increased track with the turinis being ET 38.5 as opposed to ET 40 ish of the standard 172. Now....... with a 182. Uncupped has silver wheels and apparently have a same hub set as a 172, so in theory has the same track as a 172 (bar tyre width) Now a cup packed 182 has anthricite alloys and different hubs. So is this track different to an 'Uncupped 182 or the same? If it is different are the hubs different (wider) on a cupped 182 or are the wheels a different offset (like a 172 cup)? A question for edde?!
 
  Clio 182
yeh thats a good question, me thinks its all getting too risky to just spent £700 + fitting and setting up just to find out there are problems, maybe just some eibach's it is then.

Could i just change my non-cuped 182 hubs for cuped hubs, would that be all that needs doing to make it the same as 182 cup (apart from changing the shocks & springs obviously).

Would also make the H&R's easier to sell when i take them off the car when i sell it.

If so anyone happen to have any lying about.
 

Gaz_

ClioSport Club Member
  Extreme mode
be something to watch in the second hand market, what stops someone putting anthricite alloys on a 182...... you then think it has the cup suspension pack..... but it doesn't!
 
  tiTTy & SV650
edde has confirmed in the past that the uncup'd 182 has wider track than a 172 due other components which are shared with the 182 (cup'd) as opposed to a 172. There's a lot more differences between 172 and 182 than people let on, a large number of parts are common though as we all know. The wheelbases are even different I believe.
 

Gaz_

ClioSport Club Member
  Extreme mode
So if it has a wider track, surely drive shafts are longer too?
 
  tiTTy & SV650
I guess so, I wish the part numbers for such things were all up so we could see what is shared.
 
  tiTTy & SV650
The changes between the 172 and the 182 aren't just about power and pretty exhausts, however. The chassis has undergone revisions that are more significant than they first appear. The front track (distance between wheels) has been increased by 12mm and the rear by 16mm; the wheelbase (between front and rear wheels) has also been stretched by 13mm. All this talk of millimetres may not seem much, but in essence it is pushing the wheels further out to the corners of the car, giving better stability and improved grip.

The suspension hasn't been left out either. Stiffer front springs (up 10 percent), and a thicker anti-roll bar at the rear (up 2mm to 24mm) grant 12 percent more stiffness overall. The castor angle of the front wheels has increased from 1.35 to 3 degrees - this helps to keep the wheels more vertical with the road under hard cornering. All these small changes, coupled with a newly designed, 10mm wider tyre co-developed between Renaultsport and Michelin, keep the 182 firmly pressed to the tarmac.

If all these handling and performance mods aren't enough, buyers can choose to have their cars fettled at the factory for an extra £200. This buys you the Cup chassis option which stiffens the suspension more, lowers the ride height by an insignificant 3mm, and strengthens the steering set-up by the use of larger-diameter bearings in the hub carriers. This keeps the front wheels at their desired steering angle when subjected to cornering forces and acceleration changes - so there's more feedback through the steering wheel. You'll be able to recognise a 'Cupped' Clio 182 by the new eight-spoke alloys finished in Anthracite (dark-grey) and fitted with stiffer sidewalled tyres.

If all these handling and performance mods aren't enough, buyers can choose to have their cars fettled at the factory for an extra £200. This buys you the Cup chassis option which stiffens the suspension more, lowers the ride height by an insignificant 3mm, and strengthens the steering set-up by the use of larger-diameter bearings in the hub carriers. This keeps the front wheels at their desired steering angle when subjected to cornering forces and acceleration changes - so there's more feedback through the steering wheel.
 

Gaz_

ClioSport Club Member
  Extreme mode
Tidy, spot on my friend!!! My 182 with Cup packs does feel different to my 172 Cup. I thought it was mainly down to the tyres! lol
 
  R35 GTR
no, why would they? they are second hand.

Proof of how old they are, they could been used for only a few months or 4 years.

And i would have thought any warranty would be invalid without proof of purchase.

Just trying to guage whether its worth saving a couple of hundred quid over new or not.

sorry was just being arsey.:eek: They are near enough sold now, but they are a year old ish.
 
No they dont, FK's do IIRC but H&R's do not have a slotted hole. I should know I've had a pair on a Phase 2 172 and a cupped 182 now!

I have mine sitting here and the hole is elongated. It's a slotted hole.:rasp:

It'll be the first set I've ever seen like that and other than the two sets i've had i've seen another 3 and all had two round holes. Either your eyesight is on the piss or they've changed the bolt holes in the last six months.
 
thats the million dollar question i've always wanted to know. We all know that a Cup has increased track with the turinis being ET 38.5 as opposed to ET 40 ish of the standard 172. Now....... with a 182. Uncupped has silver wheels and apparently have a same hub set as a 172, so in theory has the same track as a 172 (bar tyre width) Now a cup packed 182 has anthricite alloys and different hubs. So is this track different to an 'Uncupped 182 or the same? If it is different are the hubs different (wider) on a cupped 182 or are the wheels a different offset (like a 172 cup)? A question for edde?!

A cup pack comprises of different alloys, suspension and spoiler and can be specified as an option on the base 182. I wouldn't expect renault to go to the effort of fitting different hubs. Surely only the 182 cup/Trophy has the extended hubs :S
 
  R35 GTR
I have mine sitting here and the hole is elongated. It's a slotted hole.:rasp:

It'll be the first set I've ever seen like that and other than the two sets i've had i've seen another 3 and all had two round holes. Either your eyesight is on the piss or they've changed the bolt holes in the last six months.

My eye sight is fine (well short sighted ) and I'm an engineer so know what a hole looks like...... these shocks are around 12 months old.
 

Gaz_

ClioSport Club Member
  Extreme mode
thats the million dollar question i've always wanted to know. We all know that a Cup has increased track with the turinis being ET 38.5 as opposed to ET 40 ish of the standard 172. Now....... with a 182. Uncupped has silver wheels and apparently have a same hub set as a 172, so in theory has the same track as a 172 (bar tyre width) Now a cup packed 182 has anthricite alloys and different hubs. So is this track different to an 'Uncupped 182 or the same? If it is different are the hubs different (wider) on a cupped 182 or are the wheels a different offset (like a 172 cup)? A question for edde?!

A cup pack comprises of different alloys, suspension and spoiler and can be specified as an option on the base 182. I wouldn't expect renault to go to the effort of fitting different hubs. Surely only the 182 cup/Trophy has the extended hubs :S

No, a 182 with NO cup packs has different hubs to a cup packed version. As in the above post bearings are different and the suspension bolt spacing is too..... hense why H&R have two part no's for 182's.....one with cup suspension, one witout :) My H&R's on my cup did NOT have an elongated hole either, i needed camber correction bolts.
 
  tiTTy & SV650
the pic of Daves H&R does show an elongated top hub mount hole / slot which just suggests to me that someone might have modded them slightly?

Anyway its nowhere near enough of a slot to cope with a 12mm wider track i.e. 6mm per side. I don't know what camber bolts could do to help?

How long are the slots on FK coilovers?
 
  M2 Competition
Some places drill the holes wider on the dampers, so as to enable camber adjustment.

Im guessing thats whats happened to daves coilies, as they should have round holes from the factory.
 


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