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Camber settings
- Thread starter Cueball
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182cup & 172 racecar
degrees and minutes60 mins in 1 degree
You know what I mean, you arse.
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Been there done that, annoying to say the least
182
does it wander to the left, i.e pull itself that way, or does it drive straight and true but with the steering wheel off-centre? Agree with Chip - check steering is centred by applying full lock to lock (should be eaqual), it will help diagnose.
From the print-out of the settings it has quite a big thrust angle - the rear axle steers left slightly, pushing car right slightly - meaning that when they set the front straight on the ramp, the car actually needs to be steered slightly left to match the direction the rears are pointing. Quite common, though usually after a knock/repair job of some sort (though some say quite normal on French cars :S)
Yes, its not right, but the problem looks like it lies in the rear (from the print shown) not the front. Most people just correct the steering center to match the rear thrust angle, which works well enough for most people, and this probably has not been done, as others have already said.
If it has a pretty obvious, sharp pull to the left on all surfaces then it might not just be what I have suggested above.
From the print-out of the settings it has quite a big thrust angle - the rear axle steers left slightly, pushing car right slightly - meaning that when they set the front straight on the ramp, the car actually needs to be steered slightly left to match the direction the rears are pointing. Quite common, though usually after a knock/repair job of some sort (though some say quite normal on French cars :S)
Yes, its not right, but the problem looks like it lies in the rear (from the print shown) not the front. Most people just correct the steering center to match the rear thrust angle, which works well enough for most people, and this probably has not been done, as others have already said.
If it has a pretty obvious, sharp pull to the left on all surfaces then it might not just be what I have suggested above.
Is it me or shouldn't it be the other way around? The rear wheels POINT right. Therefore STEER the car left. Therefore surely the front of the car (as you can't change the rear without new bits/some serious bending(?) ) needs to steer right? Making the wheels all go in the same direction, even if the body/chassis actually moves like a crab eveeeerrrrr so slightly (where slightly would be the angle that the rear toe is out by).
Setting the front tracking to steer left slightly would just set it up like an Indy Car (perma-tendancy to turn left)
182
Is it me or shouldn't it be the other way around? The rear wheels POINT right. Therefore STEER the car left. Therefore surely the front of the car (as you can't change the rear without new bits/some serious bending(?) ) needs to steer right? Making the wheels all go in the same direction, even if the body/chassis actually moves like a crab eveeeerrrrr so slightly (where slightly would be the angle that the rear toe is out by).
Setting the front tracking to steer left slightly would just set it up like an Indy Car (perma-tendancy to turn left)
You and I are thinking the same.... but...
I said the rear axle points left. And that is correct. I said it will steer the car to the right, and that is correct also (think fork-lifts).
But we both agree on the result.
All I'm going on is the print-out. And from that i would expect the car to drive straight but with the steering wheel off-centre. This is not happening so i suspect something also is odd about the front caster.
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Shame to hear you've got a problem mate.
Just to clarify, that alignmycar site isn't the name of a copmany, basically just lists any independent garages that have registered with them as having laser alignment equipment. Bit like a search directory.
As for getting lower profile tyres that's rubbish. Don't. It'll look rubbish.
As said best idea would be to take it back and explain your not happy. If after that it's still not right maybe try a different place.
Just to clarify, that alignmycar site isn't the name of a copmany, basically just lists any independent garages that have registered with them as having laser alignment equipment. Bit like a search directory.
As for getting lower profile tyres that's rubbish. Don't. It'll look rubbish.
As said best idea would be to take it back and explain your not happy. If after that it's still not right maybe try a different place.
182cup & 172 racecar
If it was me, I would get the back end sorted out and get that pointing in a straight line first,but I'm fussy.
Looks like it's had a knock at sometime.
Looks like it's had a knock at sometime.
ripp
ClioSport Club Member
182 FFAT
Are you sure that is 60 mm lower on the front? Mine rubs on the wheel arches and it's 25 mm lower (in the front) on gaz coilies.
I wouldn't go lower than 40 mm in the front as there will be a lot of stress on the drive shafts
I'm running 1,5 degree negative on the front (camber bolts) and 1mm toe out, rear is standard if that helps. The car goes as I wanted to
ps: don't get the wheels black, car looks spot on
Are you sure that is 60 mm lower on the front? Mine rubs on the wheel arches and it's 25 mm lower (in the front) on gaz coilies.
I wouldn't go lower than 40 mm in the front as there will be a lot of stress on the drive shafts
I'm running 1,5 degree negative on the front (camber bolts) and 1mm toe out, rear is standard if that helps. The car goes as I wanted to
ps: don't get the wheels black, car looks spot on
Is yours a sport though, his is a non sport so it has to drop quite a way just to be down at the same height as a standard sport.
ripp
ClioSport Club Member
182 FFAT
I'd do the same tbh. the 182 looks good with that tyre size. or maybe go to 15" like many did and run 195/50 tyres, they will be a little smaller but not too much. For me though, 16" is the best compromise between looks/practicality/performance so I'm keeping them. If you're planning to do trackdays you will be better with 15" though
Cheers mate, think I will keep the 205s and just adjust the height of the coilovers. Once this is done I'm assuming I'm going to have to take it back to get aligned again?
ripp
ClioSport Club Member
182 FFAT
at 1,5 degrees being positive or negative it's easy to notice when looking from the front straight at the wheels. The cheap K-tec coilies have built in camber adjustment, just go to someone who knows what he's doing and get the tracking done like tony earlier said, 1,5 negative and 1mm toe out and you're good
182cup & 172 racecar
Sorry I just assumed it would be taken as neg.
Nobody that I know would set anything up with positive camber.
182cup & 172 racecar
Where the fk are you,kwik fit ?.Have they ever seen camber bolts and do they know how to use them?Have they got the little tag in the right way?
Clio 172
If your not rubbing your not low enough
cup packed 182 fitment? yeah, no chance, I've struggled to get 0.5deg before without going very very low
