Car won't start, I'm the unluckiest owner ever..

[jonny172clio]

Well today went out to Tesco car was fine there and back, This afternoon I go to go out turned the key nothing so turned it again and it attempted to turn over 3-4 times still nothing. The red led stays on and stop also battery flashes when it toys to start. When I lock it it sometimes bleeps 4 times and sometimes it doesn't checked all doors etc I'm thinking immobiliser as it's a fault when locking car if it was starter motor it wouldn't be doing the bleeping when I'm locking it sometimes any help would be great cheers jonny

 

[DaveDreads]

Have you checked you battery recently?

You'd be surprised how many of the Clio's electrical faults are caused by a low battery charge.

 

[jonny172clio]

The battery is only 12 months old, I'm gonna check the earth on gearbox tomorrow as when I had my gearbox changed this earth came loose whilst driving once but when it did when I turned the key nothing would happen but if I turn it straight away it turns a couple of times but doesnt fire????

 

[182 cup 05]

sounds like immoboliser mate but then i dont know just a guess. take off your battery connections.put a charger on it.then try it a few hours later

 

[GrahamS]

is the red light in the centre staying on. Try a spare key if you have one. Keep turning the car on and off and you might get lucky and it will go out. If the battery is okay and the immob is stuck on it's likely to be the UCH.

If you go from key off to starting you should get a couple of seconds of turn over if the imob is playing up.

 

[jonny172clio]

Yeh the red light is on constantly and does turn over engine but only like for 2 seconds then nothing again I don't have a spare key... What's the UCH ??? I'm gonna have a look tomorrow but just so your aware the car has been stood for 3 years untouched only been driving it for 2 weeks now already had an injector fault and it did bring up a fault about immobiliser but then management light went off a few days ago and has been fine up until this afternoon maybe relays clogged up with gunk or earth rusty

 

[jonny172clio]

Well after abit of research I'm gonna firstly check all relays fuses and wiring but am also aware of the almost certain outcome that I will need to spend a fair whack on uch but fingers crossed it's a more simpler less expensive issue

 

[GrahamS]

The uch is the body control module under the glovebox. Along with the ECU, imob chip and decoder ring the uch let the engine start. Guarantee it's the problem. Replace the whole lot. You can swap the blade in the key over. http://bit.ly/1hmHpVS

You don't need to change the clocks as these are not part of the system

Unlikely to be the earth as it's earthed from the interior loom and in several places.

neighbours car had the same problem. Their spare key worked. My girlfriends car has the same problem but it infrequently has the imob light stay on so we've left it for now.

 

[jonny172clio]

Will this work as mine is a 172 not a 182 I'm gonna hope it's decided to play ball tomorrow fingers and toes crossed

 

[welshname]

I had a similar issue the other day with it just cranking 3-4 times really fast but not firing. Mine was a dodgy earth/connector on the starter motor.

 

[jonny172clio]

Did u have a solid red immobiliser light?? I'm gonna start with the cheaper options first before I get a uch

 

[welshname]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=731439

Video in that thread. To get it to crank like that I had to turn the key immediately to crank. If I left it on ignition it just did nothing.

Solid red light means that the key has been authorised but there is a problem in the circuit elsewhere.

 

[jonny172clio]

Mine does exactly the same but when I turn the key straight away the stop light and immobiliser light stay on if I leave the lights go off ah en I turn the key nothing happens just a clicking from relay under glove box and immobiliser light goes off

 

[jonny172clio]

Just had my battery checked and it was really low so put it on charge now. Hopefully it's just a dead ish battery doubtful thou. Anyone in wrexham got a tow bar as I'm gonna take it to owens in Rhosddu if this don't work gonna get it on the diagnostics but need to take car to garage and don't fancy £70 recovery

 

[jonny172clio]

Right I've just been out to put battery back on and it's still same solid red immobiliser light have noticed now though that the lock button next to hazard switch aint working also heated rear screen aint working aswell the hazard lights the button needs a little wiggle for them to work could these be my issue if so do they work off fuses or relay hoping this may be the cause coz car is recognising the key but perhaps car still thinks it's locked coz of button on dash any light shed by anyone please
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[GrahamS]

It's the UCH. You've got exaclty the same problems I have today and mine is the UCH.

Imob works via the UCH. Heated screen, lock button all go via it.

I wouldn't bother taking it to a garage. All the kit is just bolt on and off on a petrol and takes less than an hour to fit even for a llama

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Lol all three of us near enough on the same day. Anti UCH day?

Grazo, which code do I need of the ecu cover?
Renparts said code off the UCH as ecu

to many codes lol

 

[GrahamS]

@HMS Derv Destroyer

Piccies in there

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?734820-UCH-BG-P820065817-a*

I'm fairly sure if you get a matching ecu/uch/key fob and decoder it will all work. Dash wiring is consistent in the UCH area accross the ranges from the work I've done on clios. Injectors need programming using clip. Just make sure the UCH isn't lower spec than you already have. E.g N2. As mine is UCH-BG anything is better! I've ordered an N2 which is what I have in my other DCI as well and that one worked in the busted car.

As Alex said in the other thread you can't recode a used UCH so the options are buy a virgin one, get yours done at BBA reman or get all the associated kit.

It's anti UCH week. There are just hundreds dead! It's even worse than the sports injector epidemic.

 

[jonny172clio]

It's the UCH. You've got exaclty the same problems I have today and mine is the UCH.

Just spoke to a lad now about buying his uch kit, and he told me to ring him in the morning and he will talk me through changing a certain fuse under the bonnet?? He was adament that this was my issue and not uch my head is mashed is It the uch isnt it the uch hahaha I took out a relay earlier and the prongs were green so thinkin clean everything up and hope for the best

 

[GrahamS]

If you can solve this like that and mine also works I will post my lips first class to kiss you.

 

[jonny172clio]

If you can solve this like that and mine also works I will post my lips first class to kiss you.

Honestly that's what he said and that was someone selling a UCH ecu etc...... Wants me to ring him in the morning said he's worked owned on alot of clios and This was his issue on a few occasions if it works I'll eat my own foot but he's adament hahaha

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

@HMS Derv Destroyer

Piccies in there

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?734820-UCH-BG-P820065817-a*

I'm fairly sure if you get a matching ecu/uch/key fob and decoder it will all work. Dash wiring is consistent in the UCH area accross the ranges from the work I've done on clios. Injectors need programming using clip. Just make sure the UCH isn't lower spec than you already have. E.g N2. As mine is UCH-BG anything is better! I've ordered an N2 which is what I have in my other DCI as well and that one worked in the busted car.

As Alex said in the other thread you can't recode a used UCH so the options are buy a virgin one, get yours done at BBA reman or get all the associated kit.

It's anti UCH week. There are just hundreds dead! It's even worse than the sports injector epidemic.

cheers, will recode my injectors with my Delphi diagnostics , that's what I used last time.
Tbh I think my UCH has been going for a while, one touch drivers window was when it wanted,blah blah blah. Can't be fuses under the binnet, I've had the whole fuse box apart in the bay and cleaned all the Corosion off the pins

 

[jonny172clio]

So if I change uch ecu key fob etc will i still need to sort out the injectors and recode them???

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

No no , he was aiming the injectors bit to me. Dci's need coded injectors to run properly or clouds of s**t gets thrown out back haha

you just need, key/UCH/ecu/
that match your car. Then your away again

 

[GrahamS]

No no, we're talking derv. Petrol is straight swap

 

[jonny172clio]

Cheers lads just want this sorted now, am starting my new job this week and could get my start day anytime. What's the price on next day delivery???

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Haven't asked renparts but that's what I'm doing . Getting the codes today and then hopefully get my set Thursday ( if I can get next day delivery )

 

[jonny172clio]

Hiya mate just had my head Jenner bonnet and when mh mate turned ignition on there was a crackling noise coming from relay area what mig g this be?? I cleaned all relays gave the area a spray of wd40 and noise is still there sounds dodgy electrics to me

 

[GrahamS]

Sounds like a loose connection. It could be anything.

 

[jonny172clio]

Sounds like a loose connection. It could be anything.

Not what I wanted to hear as diagnostics won't pick it up I'll have to inspect them properly could it be th uch playing up as when I changed a few relays around my passenger window went down when I turned the ignition to on

 

[l33th3tr33]

Can I join the group? Happened to me today, eventually it fired and it's been fine since. I'm hoping it last a while longer until I get some funds to sort it

 

[jonny172clio]

Welcome to the group, I'm not sure if mine is uch related now or whether it's bloody loose wiring... In a way I'm hoping it's the uch as if it's a wire it could be anyone of them

 

[l33th3tr33]

Dan @ SJM suggested the decoder ring, I'm going to see him hopefully early march to see what's what.

 

[jonny172clio]

Anyone shed any light on the crackling sound coming from my relay box under bonnet??????

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Make sure all the wires going into the bottom of it are still connected and not lose/snapped off due to corrosion

 

[jonny172clio]

Will do it sounds like it's actually coming from inside one of the relays when u jobs it it sort of vibrates abit

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

Sounds like a stuck relay. Renault do them for 15£ ish each ( little black ones )

 

[jonny172clio]

Yeh it sounds like it's coming from one of them, may be a visit to the scrappy again not paying 15 each like.. Would this be the cause of my immobiliser light staying on???

 

[Nashy]

Well I'll join in too mine has the same issues going to replace the uch what will I need exactly? Uch locks keys and ignition barrel?

 

[Dr HMS Derv Destroyer]

uch/ ecu/ key fob ( not blade ) and decoder ring/
all have to match whats on your car already.

ie mines an UCH-N3
code 8200-------------
ecu code 8200----------

have fun getting the ecu cover off lol