Changing to cup shocks?

[UK_Ricky_UK]

What do I need to do this? Shocks and hubs? Is that all? Cheers!

 

[Djw John]

172 cup shocks are a straight fit to non cup 172s.

 

[UK_Ricky_UK]

You sure? The bolt sizing on the shocks where they attach to the hubs is different... 60mm for cup and around 55mm for normal??

 

[Ex-User (72296)]

I've got cup shocks on my non cup 172. I think the difference is with the FF 182??

 

[imprezaworks]

182 is 60mm. Others 54

 

[RichieJA]

Are the shocks not all the same ? Just hubs and tre that are different

 

[bloke]

182 cup dampers and hubs are different.

 

[UK_Ricky_UK]

Are the shocks not all the same ? Just hubs and tre that are different

No mate the spacing on the hubs differ from 54mm to 60mm

 

[UK_Ricky_UK]

Do I need anything else other than 60mm shocks and 60mm hubs?

Wishbones, track row etc don't matter do they? Although saying that I know the steering arms come in two different lengths...

 

[imprezaworks]

How come your changing? As its a load of hassle tbf.

 

[Djw John]

Are you talking about a 182 then?

The quick summary is all 172s are 54mm.

Non cup pack 182s are 54mm

Cup pack 182s and trophys are 60mm.

And I wouldn't go to the hassle of changing them for any reason, if you can tell which one you're driving on then your a better man than I.

 

[UK_Ricky_UK]

I used to have a 182 with both cup packs, I now have a 182 with just the spoiler cup pack.

Tonight we changed the springs for some cooksports... when going over speed bumps it's a lot more bouncy compared to my old car!

So yes I can tell and tbh I hate it lol...

 

[Djw John]

That's the shocks, not the hubs!
Put fresh 54mm shocks on and it'll be fine.

Trust me on this one, I have a ph1 and cup packed 182 on the drive both running sportlines and standard shocks.

 

[UK_Ricky_UK]

That's the shocks, not the hubs!
Put fresh 54mm shocks on and it'll be fine.

Trust me on this one, I have a ph1 and cup packed 182 on the drive both running sportlines and standard shocks.

My car only has 45000 miles on it the shocks can't be shagged already can they?

 

[Djw John]

Oh yes they can! Don't forget, it's a Renault.

 

[Djw John]

Tbf, 182 cup shocks are very slightly stiffer than 182 non cup shocks but from memory it's almost the same as 172 cup shocks, just get them from @renaultpartsdirect

 

[UK_Ricky_UK]

Oh yes they can! Don't forget, it's a Renault.

If your sure then I'll do it...

 

[imprezaworks]

Oh yes they can! Don't forget, it's a Renault.

This.

 

[Djw John]

If your sure then I'll do it...

I am 100% sure that comparing like for like the difference is so minimal it makes the hassle of changing hubs and shafts an expensive and pointless exercise!

 

[UK_Ricky_UK]

I am 100% sure that comparing like for like the difference is so minimal it makes the hassle of changing hubs and shafts an expensive and pointless exercise!

So I'd have to change the driveshafts too? That's a put off!

 

[imprezaworks]

Yep as that's why getting a driveshaft for a cup packed (60mm) car is such an ass

 

[UK_Ricky_UK]

Ok cheers guys I'll try new 54mm shocks!

 

[Djw John]

Yep as that's why getting a driveshaft for a cup packed (60mm) car is such an ass

Aye I think the nearside ones are NLA from Renault now as well. The b******s.

 

[STEVE.M]

My car only has 45000 miles on it the shocks can't be shagged already can they?

Barn find?

 

[imprezaworks]

Aye I think the nearside ones are NLA from Renault now as well. The b******s.

Got mine from j&r, near side, £50 delivered.

Still alive

 

[Djw John]

For now.

 

[imprezaworks]

Cheers John

/removed from will

 

[Alb.]

Surely you wouldn't have to change the driveshafts on a 172 if you are changing the shocks from non cup to cup?

Yep as that's why getting a driveshaft for a cup packed (60mm) car is such an ass

 

[imprezaworks]

If the shaft sizes are different yeah

 

[Alb.]

Are you talking about a 182 then?

The quick summary is all 172s are 54mm.

Non cup pack 182s are 54mm

Cup pack 182s and trophys are 60mm.

And I wouldn't go to the hassle of changing them for any reason, if you can tell which one you're driving on then your a better man than I.

Does this not apply to driveshafts?
I'm not sure but I gathered that the 172 and 172 cup was both 54mm therefore the same driveshafts?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm new to the French scene

 

[imprezaworks]

On a car with 60mm struts the shaft is longer (iirc) than 54mm ones.

 

[Alb.]

Ok so I should be fine fitting 172cup shocks to a non cup 172?

 

[Djw John]

I 'think' cup shafts are slightly longer, I'm sure @Fraser.J. needed to go to them after swapping subframes and other bits and pieces.

 

[Fraser.J.]

Ye after I went cup subframe, wishbones and the roll centre kit I needed cup shafts in my ph1.

Without the roll centre kit I was fine one ph1 shafts

 

[STEVE.M]

Does this not apply to driveshafts?
I'm not sure but I gathered that the 172 and 172 cup was both 54mm therefore the same driveshafts?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm new to the French scene

PH2 172 has a RH 2 piece driveshaft with a support bearing,& 172 cup has a 1 piece shaft.
With the exception of the 182 cup,all pH1 & 2`s have the same hubs/knuckles,and the wishbones are interchangeable,though 182,182 cup & 172 have a revised caster angle.

 

[STEVE.M]

Ye after I went cup subframe, wishbones and the roll centre kit I needed cup shafts in my ph1.

Without the roll centre kit I was fine one ph1 shafts

Please clarify,172 cup or 182 cup shafts.
I believe 182 cup RH shaft is 2 piece,@imprezaworks please confirm,so I suspect you mean 172 cup shafts?

 

[Fraser.J.]

172 cup 182 is 2 piece

 

[imprezaworks]

Please clarify,172 cup or 182 cup shafts.
I believe 182 cup RH shaft is 2 piece,@imprezaworks please confirm,so I suspect you mean 172 cup shafts?

I've only replaced the passenger side

 

[STEVE.M]

172 cup 182 is 2 piece

Thanks for that.

 

[STEVE.M]

I've only replaced the passenger side

I know,but I thought you might have clocked it.
It`s been confirmed as 2 piece 182 cup.