Clio pushed by truck thread

[The Spaniard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1LM8TtSLZ0

Notice how much the truck is affected by hitting the car. It is clear the cars tyres add huge frictional drag to the truck and its changes direction violently.

 

[.GAZ.]

With respect, you're dads talking b****cks.

I'm a HGV driver, have been for nearly 6 years, IF that trailer was fully loaded ie 44 tonne's there's a good chance he wouldn't have felt it.

Driver probably had the radio on too which means he wouldnt've heard it either!

LOL, i take that comment back, the steer axle is quite clearly lifted and number 1 axle on the trailer is lifted which means its carrying little or no weight!

Sorry

 

[.GAZ.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1LM8TtSLZ0

Notice how much the truck is affected by hitting the car. It is clear the cars tyres add huge frictional drag to the truck and its changes direction violently.

The road is damp in the Clio one!

 

[The Spaniard]

The road is damp in the Clio one!

My point being that a car hitting the front of a lorry is obvioulsy quite a violent event, i think we can dismiss the 'he didnt feel it' theory.

 

[.GAZ.]

Depends how gently it happened! You dont feel anything in they DAF XF's

 

[Chris_81]

This story has just appeared on my local BBC news (North West Tonight). It said that the police are reopening their investigations!

 

[jenic]

This story has just appeared on my local BBC news (North West Tonight). It said that the police are reopening their investigations!

Same but on look north (the yorkshire one). Seems a waste of police time imo, it has already been investigated.

 

[iimushroomzii]

All depends how close the Clio was when they collided and how fast they were both travelling, if it was a 60mph vs 59mph, you wouldn't feel anything...

 

[.GAZ.]

All depends how close the Clio was when they collided and how fast they were both travelling, if it was a 60mph vs 59mph, you wouldn't feel anything...

Amen.

 

[The Spaniard]

The 4 tyres on the car locked as non-rotating objects have enough retardation to stop a 1.2 tonne car quickly.

I find it incredulous, totally unbelievable, that when that force is suddenly applied to the front of a lorry, the driver is unable to feel anything.

Imagine trying to drive a clio with a childs pedal car attached to the front. You would have to be a complete moron not to notice it.

 

[.GAZ.]

Or hear a screaming kid^ LOL!

 

[Leeshez]

Shocking .

 

[Kneel]

LOL, i take that comment back, the steer axle is quite clearly lifted and number 1 axle on the trailer is lifted which means its carrying little or no weight!

Sorry

Could still be carrying enough weight to not feel it. On a 4x2 unit with a tandem axle trailer you can weigh upto 38t gross. you only need the lift axles on unit and trailer down if you carry more than that.

 

[paddymph]

i know fek all about HGV's but i reckon if they were doing similar speed the HGV could easily have collected the Clio and not known about it?

 

[iimushroomzii]

i know fek all about HGV's but i reckon if they were doing similar speed the HGV could easily have collected the Clio and not known about it?

Correct. :approve:

 

[Joeh]

LOL, i take that comment back, the steer axle is quite clearly lifted and number 1 axle on the trailer is lifted which means its carrying little or no weight!

Sorry

yes he also spotted that , 6 years? hes been driving 30 lol.

 

[Joeh]

The 4 tyres on the car locked as non-rotating objects have enough retardation to stop a 1.2 tonne car quickly.

I find it incredulous, totally unbelievable, that when that force is suddenly applied to the front of a lorry, the driver is unable to feel anything.

Imagine trying to drive a clio with a childs pedal car attached to the front. You would have to be a complete moron not to notice it.

finally someone with sense, its a car ffs no matter how much the wagon weighs pushing a car sideways at 56mph would be noticable, how would there have been 0 noise in the cab too? we'll see when the driver gets sacked and ends up in court no doubt .

 

[Joeh]

Correct. :approve:

yes, someone who has admitted to knowing nothing about hgv's is correct yet my dad who has been driving one for over 30 years knows f**k all, flol at all the experts in everything in the world on here ffs

 

[Joeh]

right finally found a forum with truckers discussing the topic, you know the people who actually drive these things instead of 'i think that'

some comments below




Behave.

For a supposed driving instructor with all the bells and whistles you should know better than to believe that BS.

I don't care what size you are, if you make contact with something with your unit you WILL notice it, and you'd definitely notice the bump when you first made contact and you'd most certainly notice the bang when the car turns sideways and the side of it slams into the front of the unit. Even if by some miracle you'd missed all that, the drag caused by trying to shove along a tonne of metal with 4 tyres at right-angles to the road at 56mph would be immense, even with a wet surface. There's no way you could NOT notice something was majorly wrong, even if you couldn't physically see the car from the seat.

Its obviously road rage, he has been cut up and just thought to himself [zb] it and rammed them up the road. Yes you can hit a car with your trailer and not feel it, you could even catch a car with your under run bar and maybe not feel it. But you cant hit something head on and push it up the road without noticing.


Arclid driver will be spending some time at her Majesty's pleasure for sure.


Bad I know but I did have a good laugh at that, no way did the driver not know the car was there, was probrably in a rage and decided to teach em a lesson instead of stopping. A good scare like that is what the idiots of the road need - don't play games with trucks


have been in that exact situation where a car came from my left straight into my path. I clipped the rear offside wing and it spun to the same position as on video.Was driving an empty petrol tanker at 56 ish mph on motorway was an erf/man standard wendy house .
1) could not miss seeing it thru windscreen.
2)Had a immediate effect on my speed/road handling etc and plenty of smoke off her tyres and screeching from impact and tyre noise etc.
3)Once i had braked and stopped car slid a bit further on and spun once facing wrong way.
4)Women driver had wet herself.
5)Her fault cos she was gabbing to much to passenger.
6)car behind hit me and wrote his off and i didn't even realise but he came as witness for me also.
Imoa you can't do that with any vehicle and not notice,either it's a fake or it's akin to roadrage

Driver at a place i worked did similar, don't know the full details but a car tried to cut him up and ended up hitting the car and the car got stuck. Which was supposedly seen by the police.

The driver flipped sick of car drivers antics and kept on driving with the car stuck till the police stoped him, he admited dangerous driving and banned from driving anything for awhile, career down the tubes.



This exacy same clip has just been on ITV regional news

They said that the Police did not realise the severity of the incident and have now reopened the file due to seeing the content of the video

You can therefore bet your bottom dollar this driver is in deeper sheep dip






obviously they all know f**k all driving trucks everyday like, that enough ? lol

 

[Kneel]

yes, someone who has admitted to knowing nothing about hgv's is correct yet my dad who has been driving one for over 30 years knows f**k all, flol at all the experts in everything in the world on here ffs

When did you last drive a truck? Before you start implying or saying that every-one who has said it is possible he wouldn't noticed are the 'novices' compared to your expert knowledge...

road noise is very quiet when your sat in your cab. coupled with the radio being on and probably on a little bit loud to drown out the sounds of the engine/trailer and various other things on the truck that tend to make irritating noises through the 12hr+ days.

If it was as I imagine it, ie car coming up inside, just got tagged and gently turned infront of the truck there wouldn't have been an impact, and there doesn't appear to be much damage to either truck or clio which backs that up.

You can get away with a lot more than you would think without feeling it in the truck, I know this as absolute fact from experience in trucks that I have been in over the past 10 years. I'm not by any means saying that the driver on the video is a genius he should know whats around him at all times to make sure something like in the video never happens, but if he wasn't looking around him to see the cars there then he wont have seen it.

As I have said, even with the lift axles up he could carry upto 38t, a clio weighing in at just over a ton is not going to make even the slightest difference speedwise to the truck. Even if he is empty, unit and trailer alone weigh around 15-18t easy, so even on an empty trailer its the equivalent of adding roughly 55kgs of weight to your clio, its hardly going to stop you dead if theres no impact is it?

 

[Joeh]

Have you not read the above comments? And drivers can't do 12hour plus days, its illegal. This is the thing, one guy argued with me erlier telling me uk trucks have 700 to 1200 bhp, now you're saying they drive 12hour plus days, if people don't know the basics how can they put a valid point forward.

 

[The Spaniard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF6EiLn8bto

 

[The Spaniard]

Have you not read the above comments? And drivers can't do 12hour plus days, its illegal. This is the thing, one guy argued with me erlier telling me uk trucks have 700 to 1200 bhp, now you're saying they drive 12hour plus days, if people don't know the basics how can they put a valid point forward.

It is obvious to anyone with eyes that the driver could not have missed the impact and aftermath, unless he was not fully concious for reason of drink, drugs or sleep. If he was under the influence of non of these then i would say it is some kind of road rage incident.

That video i just posted clearly shows the effects of the car on the lorry cab. It reverberates under the impact and then the lorry lurches to one side under the effects of the braking from the car tyres.

 

[S6 EMY]

Have you not read the above comments? And drivers can't do 12hour plus days, its illegal. This is the thing, one guy argued with me erlier telling me uk trucks have 700 to 1200 bhp, now you're saying they drive 12hour plus days, if people don't know the basics how can they put a valid point forward.

I believe they can ... maximum daily driving time is nine hours but maximum duty (driving including other work) time is 15 hours as long as they have had their correct breaks etc

 

[Mr Burns]

I believe they can ... maximum daily driving time is nine hours but maximum duty (driving including other work) time is 15 hours as long as they have had their correct breaks etc

Sounds right, my Dad used to do long days when he drove an HGV. Something like 14hr days iirc.

 

[adamlewis01]

As I have said, even with the lift axles up he could carry upto 38t, a clio weighing in at just over a ton is not going to make even the slightest difference speedwise to the truck. Even if he is empty, unit and trailer alone weigh around 15-18t easy, so even on an empty trailer its the equivalent of adding roughly 55kgs of weight to your clio, its hardly going to stop you dead if theres no impact is it?

So your saying that you wouldn't notice hitting another metal object to the weight of 55kg in a Clio? Look at what sort of noise the likes of badgers and phesants create ( and they're made out of squidgy stuff )

For your thoery to work, the lorry would hve had to of been traveling the same speed as the car which would also have to be travelling sideways

 

[The Spaniard]

So your saying that you wouldn't notice hitting another metal object to the weight of 55kg in a Clio? Look at what sort of noise the likes of badgers and phesants create ( and they're made out of squidgy stuff )

For your thoery to work, the lorry would hve had to of been traveling the same speed as the car which would also have to be travelling sideways

Plus take into account that its not adding 55kgs to the front of the car, its adding a huge braking force as well due to adhesive forces.

Think of a child on a bike, that then gets trapped under the front of the car and dragged along the tarmac under your subframe. Impossible not to notice.

 

[Kneel]

or around a couple of miles an hour difference, I have said several times imo the car could have been undertaking the truck. This means it is travelling faster, I have also said it is possible that the truck driver didn't feel it because the car was turned gently, not smashed into. so, if I hit 55kgs then I would know. If there was no impact then I wouldn't know. Have a look at the video again and tell me if either car or truck look smashed? The tail lights on the clio are fine, the headlights on the truck are fine and the fairings on the truck dont look broke or smashed. If he had 'hit' the car then there would have been an impact, and it would have showed. I have also said a number of times, the driver should have noticed the car coming, but if he wasn't paying attention then its perfectly believable that he wouldn't know it was there if he didn't watch the accident happen, although as I have said he would have to be quite dozy.

Have you not read the above comments? And drivers can't do 12hour plus days, its illegal. This is the thing, one guy argued with me erlier telling me uk trucks have 700 to 1200 bhp, now you're saying they drive 12hour plus days, if people don't know the basics how can they put a valid point forward.

FLOL! Definately never drove a truck before then. Cheers. Also, 700hp trucks are available although in the UK pointless and rare, see.

 

[Waitey]

FLOL! Definately never drove a truck before then. Cheers. Also, 700hp trucks are available although in the UK pointless and rare, see.

Wash your mouth out. 5 of ours have over 700bhp. One is nearly 840bhp.

Power is good!

 

[Mr Burns]

Wash your mouth out. 5 of ours have over 700bhp. One is nearly 840bhp.

Power is good!

WTF are they? lol

Most are around the 540 mark, what are yours towing??

 

[Waitey]

As for the driver, he could have felt it, he also may not have. Either way this happens a fair bit.

 

[Waitey]

WTF are they? lol

Most are around the 540 mark, what are yours towing??

2 are Volvo FH16-580's and 3 are Scania's 164 580/620's. We move livestock. We need the power for pulling out of farms. You try getting 44tonne up a 1:3 hill covered in mud!

 

[The Spaniard]

You try getting 44tonne up a 1:3 hill covered in mud!

Or pushing a 1.2 tonne car sideways along the road in the wet.

Same reasoning.

You would notice the drag.

 

[davesport172]

my money is on fake vid.

 

[nicknick]

Amazed at the amount of people who think this could happen without the driver knowing.... fake or road rage.

 

[Andyman]

Why didnt he stop then if he noticed it ?

 

[Andyman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1LM8TtSLZ0

Notice how much the truck is affected by hitting the car. It is clear the cars tyres add huge frictional drag to the truck and its changes direction violently.

The truck is hardly effected. If anything it proves the opposite of what your suggesting.

This example is of a 2 tonne Merc hitting the side the driver is sat at IN THE DRY.

Half the weight, add a wet road and then make contact at the blind side aka as per this thread vid, then theres every chance the driver never felt a thing.

Have a look on Truck.net UK. Lots of stories of drivers hitting cars and not realising or hardly feeling anything

 

[Glos182]

the only reason i don't think this is a fake vid, is that, if it is, imagine what else people could fake up to get the police to investigate and waste their time?

 

[Scadden182]

the only reason i don't think this is a fake vid, is that, if it is, imagine what else people could fake up to get the police to investigate and waste their time?

yea, it was obviously investigated before if they are reopening the case.

spoke to my old man who drivers for Sawyers, he reckons that it is possible not to notice it if he'd been driving solid from the night before.

the video was apparently made at 8.30AM on january the 13th and if its a hardcore trucker he could have been driving since early on the night before and that could be nearly 14-16hrs :nono: driving, to tired to notice/see anything.

but if u were fresh eyed and bushy tailed im sure you would notice it ffs.

my moneys on road rage, but you cant make assumptions until details are made clear.

 

[nicknick]

I refuse to believe that someone could collide with a car and push it down the motorway without feeling a slight difference in speed or through the steering wheel! Surely the person in clio wasn't just chilling either. In that situation I'd be flashing the lights beeping the horn etc.