agreed the GTI should be compared to a meggy 225 not a RWD v6 clio...............................on a side note I don't like the V6's!!!!
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Its been an interesting thread....particularly so when you consider that the 182/172 on here is judge by its "driving expierence" We then get to the V6 and whole difference criteria comes out.
The Vee, is not particulary quick or good handling, build maybe better, but its still a renault, they are very expensive to insure and maitain, rentention is an issue (but maybe less so now they not being made, but if i paid 20k for now id still be concerned) However, they do look stunning.
Basically its a car you buy with your heart and if youve had one, then why did you get rid of it??? Also why do you not know that you deffo want another. I just think if your thinking of buying the golf or the Vee then you are likely to buy the Vee and then regret it as you are ignoring the reasons for thinking about the golf and these are things which matter most everyday.
The Vee, is not particulary quick or good handling, build maybe better, but its still a renault, they are very expensive to insure and maitain, rentention is an issue (but maybe less so now they not being made, but if i paid 20k for now id still be concerned) However, they do look stunning.
Basically its a car you buy with your heart and if youve had one, then why did you get rid of it??? Also why do you not know that you deffo want another. I just think if your thinking of buying the golf or the Vee then you are likely to buy the Vee and then regret it as you are ignoring the reasons for thinking about the golf and these are things which matter most everyday.
The Bus and MRT
here's the topgear one mate
Not sure if the sound goes out of sync on that one though so it might ruin the noise of the R32
Not sure if you're still deciding but if you can afford I'd definately get the R32 over either of the cars(biased obviously). I love the Vees but like most people have said if you need any room in your car or drive any mates around then it's just too impractical. That said I wouldn't get a Golf GTi either, great cars but really common now, I see far more than I see CSs, however I did seriously consider the Limited edition one.
Are you still looking mate or have you decided already?
Nissan 350Z
A 1400kg Golf, no doubt blessed with vague electronic steering, drive by wire throttle, a turbo charged engine (which, with the best will in the world, are never quite as responsive and linear as N/A engines), a better handling car than what is, by comparison, a lightweight and back to basics car?
Hmmmmm.
Looking at the car you have listed in your profile i am not surprised by you saying that though.
Maybe it does have higher mechanical grip, but that is a different thing to handling.
Hmmmmm.
Looking at the car you have listed in your profile i am not surprised by you saying that though.
Maybe it does have higher mechanical grip, but that is a different thing to handling.
FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
Dont quote me mate.Take a look at evo's "the knowledge" and you will se that the TROPHY only posts the same time as the golf on a track(bedford)and thats with super-duper-trick suspension.Also if you live anywhere near the midlands and fancy a 40mph rolling start against my 10yr old highline i think you may be suprised
ian
golf r32 dsg
here's the topgear one mate
Not sure if the sound goes out of sync on that one though so it might ruin the noise of the R32
Not sure if you're still deciding but if you can afford I'd definately get the R32 over either of the cars(biased obviously). I love the Vees but like most people have said if you need any room in your car or drive any mates around then it's just too impractical. That said I wouldn't get a Golf GTi either, great cars but really common now, I see far more than I see CSs, however I did seriously consider the Limited edition one.
Are you still looking mate or have you decided already?
still havent decided mate but im now down to 2 eithier v6 or r32 im just looking for any good deals around on the r32
Nissan 350Z
As usual (by which i mean, like most people, seemingly), I think you confuse handling with grip. I dont doubt the Golf can corner at high speeds, and post good lap times. But you wont feel part of the experience as much as in a clio. Feel is everything, unless you base how good a car is simply on the basis of a stopwatch.
Incidentally, I am sure it was Evo that placed both the Williams and Trophy above the Golf GTI in their recent FWD roundup, stating that the Golf didnt feel as fun as the Clios at low speeds, and at high speeds, its weight made itself felt...
Also, I dont live anywhere near the midlands, probably at least 200 miles away in fact. If I did, I'd happily take the "pepsi challenge" against your car. Maybe you would win. Maybe you wouldnt. I'm sure it would be fun regardless. However, i'm not willing to take a 400 mile journey to determine which car was quicker to a ton by a gnats chuff
The Bus and MRT
here's the topgear one mate
Not sure if the sound goes out of sync on that one though so it might ruin the noise of the R32
Not sure if you're still deciding but if you can afford I'd definately get the R32 over either of the cars(biased obviously). I love the Vees but like most people have said if you need any room in your car or drive any mates around then it's just too impractical. That said I wouldn't get a Golf GTi either, great cars but really common now, I see far more than I see CSs, however I did seriously consider the Limited edition one.
Are you still looking mate or have you decided already?
still havent decided mate but im now down to 2 eithier v6 or r32 im just looking for any good deals around on the r32
I think you maybe looking for a while tbh, I was very lucky with mine, got it 4 months old with 4k on the clock with most of the extras fro £23k, would have cost £28 with all the toys the bloke had fitted. I knew the dealer than got it me at trade price. Are you looking for a 2nd hand one or brand new? if you are going brand new and with finace, DON'T go directly to VW their prices were way over finance4cars.co.uk. Definatly get the R32 over the Vee though, all the Pros with none of the set backs (apart from the price of course which is a lot more tbh)
The Bus and MRT
As usual (by which i mean, like most people, seemingly), I think you confuse handling with grip. I dont doubt the Golf can corner at high speeds, and post good lap times. But you wont feel part of the experience as much as in a clio. Feel is everything, unless you base how good a car is simply on the basis of a stopwatch.
Incidentally, I am sure it was Evo that placed both the Williams and Trophy above the Golf GTI in their recent FWD roundup, stating that the Golf didnt feel as fun as the Clios at low speeds, and at high speeds, its weight made itself felt...
Also, I dont live anywhere near the midlands, probably at least 200 miles away in fact. If I did, I'd happily take the "pepsi challenge" against your car. Maybe you would win. Maybe you wouldnt. I'm sure it would be fun regardless. However, i'm not willing to take a 400 mile journey to determine which car was quicker to a ton by a gnats chuff
TBH mate, the clio has to be the most fun you can have in a car at any given speed, it feels responsive and faster than the golf would at the same speed. Not sure why that is, be it the feedback from the steering or the weight of the car(light) but it definately feels like you're going faster in a CS than say a golf GTi at the same speed. I've race a few of the new Gti's in my 172 and have beaten then every time, this is down dual carriage ways and motorways mind, which you would think that the GTi would have the advantage. I'm not sure if it was the driver in the GTi (most seem to be middle age men or women) but the VR6 I think would be a different matter, still recon they'd have a new GTi in a straight line, fantstic engines in them and very similar to the ones in the corrado VR6 which my brother used to have that would eat most cars alive once rolling..... sorry waffling on, had a couple o beers :rasp:
FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
As usual (by which i mean, like most people, seemingly), I think you confuse handling with grip. I dont doubt the Golf can corner at high speeds, and post good lap times. But you wont feel part of the experience as much as in a clio. Feel is everything, unless you base how good a car is simply on the basis of a stopwatch.
Incidentally, I am sure it was Evo that placed both the Williams and Trophy above the Golf GTI in their recent FWD roundup, stating that the Golf didnt feel as fun as the Clios at low speeds, and at high speeds, its weight made itself felt...
Also, I dont live anywhere near the midlands, probably at least 200 miles away in fact. If I did, I'd happily take the "pepsi challenge" against your car. Maybe you would win. Maybe you wouldnt. I'm sure it would be fun regardless. However, i'm not willing to take a 400 mile journey to determine which car was quicker to a ton by a gnats chuff
A nats chuf maybe,but 2.5k v's 15k makes the difference,plus my car was built 10 years ago with similar spec.My friend has an 05 silver 182 and i pull away easily after 80-90mph.
Also im not regarding performance as fun,i want results.If i want fun ill have a week in ibiza.
And i reckon if you lived within 10 miles of me you would'nt take the pepsi challenge.
Dont get me wrong ive owned 2 clio sports and they were great cars ,but as you may find out one day they are not the "be all and end all".
There great for a new car for the money but theres much better for half the price
ian
Assumptions are fantastic things! Go out, drive a mk5 gti, then come back and voice an educated opinion on the experience.
Nissan 350Z
I'm so happy for you.
What a cráp analogy. We are talking about cars, not holidays.
Incidentally, if you just want results, why a Mk5 when there are faster cars than that available? (meggy for one). Your argument is flawed.
Shows what you know.
Never said they were the be all and end all. Why do people on here always resort to that comment whenever someone sticks up for the clio?
Much better cars for half the price? I dont think so. Thats your opinion, but if that was true, then I would have saved £5k and bought a much better car.
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Nissan 350Z
This forum is píshed, hence the double reply.
The Bus and MRT
Hmmmm not that I've driven either so my opinions probably worth nothing
I'd take the Meggy over the GTi especially seeing that deal for the 230 at 15k that's posted somewhere on the forum. Meggy's are rarer and faster
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Carrera 4S. Clio 172. M5
If you have the time, Craig, go and drive a GOLF MK4 V6 4-MOTION.
IMHO the best all round hatch back ever made. Its very fast, very comfortable, very well put together, (the build quality, fit & finish is way ahead of anything Renault could achieve). The dealer network is keen to help and never seem to be over expensive on parts and servicing. (Unlike Renault)
My Wife has one which I absolutely love driving, its very quick and doesn’t attract the attention of praats like my Porsche does. I (sorry, She) cant wait for the MK5 4-MOTION.
Everyone has a favourite car, when they have paid out a lot of money for it, and I think sometimes that means they would not admit there is a better one, so the best way is to go and drive as many miles as you can in one you have short listed and make your own mind up, or you could end up owning a car that you hate just because someone else thinks its cool.
I liked driving the Clio V6 it’s a fun car, but the best bit was handing the keys back. (I eventually got rid of the headache).
IMHO the best all round hatch back ever made. Its very fast, very comfortable, very well put together, (the build quality, fit & finish is way ahead of anything Renault could achieve). The dealer network is keen to help and never seem to be over expensive on parts and servicing. (Unlike Renault)
My Wife has one which I absolutely love driving, its very quick and doesn’t attract the attention of praats like my Porsche does. I (sorry, She) cant wait for the MK5 4-MOTION.
Everyone has a favourite car, when they have paid out a lot of money for it, and I think sometimes that means they would not admit there is a better one, so the best way is to go and drive as many miles as you can in one you have short listed and make your own mind up, or you could end up owning a car that you hate just because someone else thinks its cool.
I liked driving the Clio V6 it’s a fun car, but the best bit was handing the keys back. (I eventually got rid of the headache).
The Bus and MRT
Didn't the R32 replace the V6 4-Motion? Hence there won't be a Mkv5 4-Motion as there is already a MkV R32?
Nissan 350Z
ok mr t0sser, this is going to be my last comment in this thread.
first i dont care that your car is allegedly faster. Its comical to me that your car being faster than somebody elses is so important to you, and then buy one of the slowest medium size hot hatches on the market, lol. 6our car was twice the price, yet probably half as much fun.
You like it fine, but i get a little tired of ex clio owners on this forum hanging around to gloat because they now think they are better than everyone else because they own something different. You aint. I remember a few years ago coming on here before i had a clio when everyone seemed to think the clio was the fastest thing on 4 wheels. It wouldnt surprise me if you were one of them and yet here you are lecturing me on how i allegedly think the same when i think no such thing.
Right my analogy. The clio is an old school hot hatch in that its light and cheap to buy and run, everything your expensive lardy cruiser dressed up as a hot hatch will never be. i had a mk2 gti, thats more of a gti than yours will ever be even though its not as quick. You clearly miss the point in a hot hatch so i aint going to go on.
I am through with this thread and this place. I have better things to do with my time than argue constatnly with smug ex clio owners in the same arguments we have every single week almost without fail. Adios suckers
Carrera 4S. Clio 172. M5
The Bus and MRT
I don't quite get you mate, the Older R32 was much faster than the V6 4 Motion, IIRC the 4-motion had the same engine in as the Mk3 VR6 (2.9 Litre) where as the R32 had a 3.2 litre. The New R36 has (as you may have guessed) a 3.6 litre engine so it is a further upgrade on the R not the MkV's equivalent of the V6 4-Motion....
They could release a 2.9 V6 4-motion for those that want a subtle car but I doubt they will because it would be to similar to the R32. BTW I have an R32 if you haven't spotted already and there's no way they are chav cars, that would be like calling a Carrera 4/2 S a Chav car because it has the S in it's name, it's simply a badge to show that the car is a cut above the other models
Carrera 4S. Clio 172. M5
I don't quite get you mate, the Older R32 was much faster than the V6 4 Motion, IIRC the 4-motion had the same engine in as the Mk3 VR6 (2.9 Litre) where as the R32 had a 3.2 litre. The New R36 has (as you may have guessed) a 3.6 litre engine so it is a further upgrade on the R not the MkV's equivalent of the V6 4-Motion....
They could release a 2.9 V6 4-motion for those that want a subtle car but I doubt they will because it would be to similar to the R32. BTW I have an R32 if you haven't spotted already and there's no way they are chav cars, that would be like calling a Carrera 4/2 S a Chav car because it has the S in it's name, it's simply a badge to show that the car is a cut above the other models
Absolutely correct, but you missed the point. Not everyone wants to advertise the fact they have a car that is something a bit special, as you say its just a badge ( different exhaust layout, bumper etc) but that, for some people is enough to turn what little brain they have into self destruct mode and try to rub your bumpers off.
On your other point you completely missed it, I was referring to the fact that in an obvious "performance" car, like your R32, you ATTRACT the chaved up brigade ( I was skirting round making the obvious remarks about some Saxo,Corsa,Clio owners, for fear of upsetting some people)
The Bus and MRT
Sorry mate, thought you said that it would attract chavs to buying it, got a little defensive there
pbirkett said:
1. Build
2. Customer Service
3. Retention
4. Badge/Imagine
Need I go on.
From you posts about fun and handling you would be best suited to mid engines sports car, as that appears to be the only criteria for when criticising another car other than the clio...
As for you post about vague steering on the GTi, I recommend a test drive then you can make an informed opinion...
MK1 V6 Lutecia / 197
Is it really necessary to say how much you think the clio V6 looks s**t everytime a V6 thread is started? Its not a secret anymore so get over it...
Its based on the very car you drive FFS, and put the two beside each other lets guess at how much more interest the V6 will gain over what is a 1.2 with a bodykit if we are talking bodykits....
You've never driven one therfore you can't comment on how it drives or anything about its performance...so don't bother.
As for the looks. It demands the greatest of road presence. Everyone looks at it. The 172/182 is lost beside it....alomg with nearly every other road car (bar supercars and even then it mingles well)
As for the bodykit issue, Not sure what V6 you are looking at but mine sure as hell doesn't look like a halfords bodykit and it fits perfectly....you must be looking at to many f those 1200cc replicas. Now they are bad...
Stop dissing the V6. Its a fantastic creation by Renault. One that we'll probably never expereince again...
I get sick and tired of people who say they wouldn't buy a Vee because of its luggage/storage capabilities or that it won't fit in the garage...
What a stupid reason(s) not to buy a car of this nature. If you are considering at all a performance/sports car then luggage/garage does not enter into the decision making process.
And then we have the price. "A very expensive clio" you say? :lolup:
Is £10K expensive? Even £15K for a low mileage MK2. Rubbish... Its still cheaper than Norman Nobody's Clio 197 and most other perfomance cars out there.....
Sorry but nothing touches the V6 clio in looks, uniqueness, rareity or performance categories for £10K...
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