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Conors 172 Cup track toy build..



conor1n

ClioSport Club Member
Hi everybody,

So I am back and properly in action this time. I posted last year in July about starting to do a few bits on my 172 Cup, but that never materialised. This time it's for real and I wait until I had some bits done before starting to post here. The July post contains some real "warts and all" shots of the car in it's state at the beginning of Feb.

The car currently has most of the interior stripped, bumpers and lights off...

What I want from this is: Further convert the car into a novelty "race car" with race car like features etc, without going complete competition spec. The intention is that this will be road legal and track friendly but not MSA legal, i.e. I won't be competing in it. I'm not doing any of the mods to slim down track times, but more for a coolness factor and to make it easier to work on in the future.

Why I want this: Why not!? Just for novelty, learning and also the car needs a bit of tidying up as it's a bit rough after the many track days in a previous life.

Planned work / Mods:
  • I had started to list items but it was becoming a bit long... typical refurb really.
The work so far:

(DAY 1)


I found a nice place to work, with a few other projects yet to be started :) Day 1 saw me unloading the tools and getting acquainted with my new second home :)

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During the moving process the bumper had to be removed as it had mostly fallen off anyway :LOL:

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Starting off with a few good tools but lacking in some areas.. i'll be sure to have double the amount by the end of this..


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After removing the seats, I managed to single-handedly get the half cage out. You can see in the photo where I strapped the exposed ends.. this helped with visualising the shape and kept the ends from splaying outwards. By all accounts, this is supposed to be an awful job. I'm not sure what made it so easy for me.. perhaps the fact it's only a small enough unit.

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conor1n

ClioSport Club Member
Day 2 update - the point of no return!

After my first day working on the car, my back was nearly broken. Bending down to pickup various tools was so frustrating and tiring. I picked up this Halfords Advanced tool trolley and it's a god send. £288 with trade card wasn't bad either.

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I also noticed a couple of leaks while the car was stood for the week. The left hand side is steering, which I knew was leaking.. and prompted this overhaul. Not quite sure what the second is..

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This is a documentary photo, so I can remember how the door is fixed. This pin was a pain to remove. I ended up hammering with a punch. Not ideal, but I needed to get the doors off as they were a major nuisance. One got slightly bent and I can order new ones if needed. Also will probably need the tool to re-install.

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Doors finally off.. no more opening and closing to get around..

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So this photo represents the "point of no return" for me. I ended up ripping out and breaking a few fixtures on the upper dash, as it was very stuck on the left side. I will be able to install new mount points when re-installing so not too worried.

The lower dash was also very difficult to get out. For some reason I couldn't get access to the middle area holding the radio / control. So I just hammered my way through it all. I knew it wasn't going to be re-installed anyway so wasn't bothered. One slight concern is the ducting for air. I plan on keeping the heater matrix in there to provide heat if needed. I will probably remove the directional venting and just have fixed cabin heater controlled by a "high, low, off" toggle switch.

Question: Does anybody know if the rusted brown metal bars are required for safety here.. or are they just for structural integrity of the dash? I see them removed in a lot of "race cars" but perhaps this is ok because they have full roll cages? As I don't have a full cage, must I leave the bars here?

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So I introduced a slight crack in the windscreen when removing the rear view mirror.. it was always going to happen as I didn't even use much force really. The windscreen seemed super fragile, which makes be believe the Cup screen is actually lighter. I hit it a thump for good measure later on to see it spider a bit more :shame

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Excluding the roll cage, this photo represents a whole days work. Man the interior took a lot longer than anticipated. Still the rest of dash wiring and loom to remove.

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conor1n

ClioSport Club Member
Day 3

Today I wanted to label all the wiring loom before moving forward while the connections were still fresh in my mind. I plan on breaking down the loom and removing any un-needed wires. I don't think I will replace any wiring unless warranted.

On one hand, I think I should make a completely new loom, because the car is 19 years old. On the other hand, I can just strip out the unused wiring and re-use, to save cost. Keeping in mind that the dash will be stripped and it will be much easier to get to the loom in future if problems arise. Thoughts?

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The rear bumper bolts were a real bar steward to remove. The sprung captive nuts, or whatever you call them were seized on and I couldn't get a proper grip of them. I needed to grind them off with little space so it was a little brute force. I will need to tidy up those fittings before the bumper goes back on. I imagine a new piece spot welded on and drilled should do the trick. I have never welded anything before but I plan on grabbing somebody nearby to show me through this project.

Should really have used my Dremel for this, but it was at home.. great place for it!!

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Next up were the side skirts.. these have rivets in place of screws so needed to be drilled out.. Re installing them will probably be the first time I use a riveter too.. Did I say I was doing this project to learn some things along the way? :)

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The bolts for the skirts were seized on too, and needed to be ground off. Another place for the Dremel. The bolt glowed red and melted the surrounding skirt.. Well that is sure to make some people cringe. I am sure that is also easily fixed later on too.

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ZachB

ClioSport Club Member
  182
Great stuff, must be nice to have a proper space to work and not in the street or a narrow drive!
 

ZachB

ClioSport Club Member
  182
Also Im not sure on that support bar but I know it supports the column with a couple bolts as the mk2 column brackets are made of cheese.

And those couple bolts in the arches, I didnt think they would need that much to get them off, I would of thought they would just snap if you turned them with some mole grips!
 

conor1n

ClioSport Club Member
Well yes, in hindsight you are correct. I will also need to drill out the screw also. Oh well.. this is all a learning curve.

Part of me is kind of excited about all the possible problems so I get to learn how to fix them :)
 

Asher172

ClioSport Club Member
I see this project escalating quickly. I told myself with my clio that it would be a weekend car with good pads and tyres to take it to track days. Its now in pieces undergoing a full track car build. It seems youre going in the similar direction haha
 

conor1n

ClioSport Club Member
I see this project escalating quickly. I told myself with my clio that it would be a weekend car with good pads and tyres to take it to track days. Its now in pieces undergoing a full track car build. It seems youre going in the similar direction haha

Totally.. it's already escalated, a lot!

So in November I set about removing the steering rack for a refurb. Noticed the suspension/subframe rust... I then spent the proceeding months looking for a space.

And now we are here.... stripping the car back to single metal shell to rebuild as mint.

I need to do some planning once I get the car apart and see what I can spend money on, but I envisage about £2.5/£3k should get me over the the line with a decent not competition build.

Big expense will be new coilovers if needed, although can very easily be added later on, on my drive.

I also want to look into power management too... I read somewhere that somebody used the UCH in modified form, instead of a dedicated (expensive) PDU.
 

conor1n

ClioSport Club Member
One thing people don't seem to talk about on here is money... I once asked how much something cost and felt weird.

I think on this thread I might talk about money. Costs, budget etc. It will help give people an idea of what a build costs and where the could save / add cost.
 

Greeny.

ClioSport Club Member
  182 + 330d
One thing people don't seem to talk about on here is money... I once asked how much something cost and felt weird.

I think on this thread I might talk about money. Costs, budget etc. It will help give people an idea of what a build costs and where the could save / add cost.
I mean for the most part people know how much parts cost minus the nut and bolts builds plus they probably don’t wanna come across as billy big balls shouting about how much they spent on their old french car, it’s not a great look. I guess its all about spending money in the right areas, ive purposely upgraded parts in my car slowly over the years, one not to loose interest, two to stop being moaned at and three to save cost, for instance my wet/road wheels are still the ones I was given when I bought the car, I could replace them for something that looks nicer/abit lighter but they do the job so haven’t bothered as yet.


Over the 5 years ive owned my track car its hard to think how much its cost me tbh, not sure I want to add up the receipts and its not even an amazing build, just a generally fairly tidy track hack and it doesn’t even have a diff (yet) :( Car aside each track day costs best part of £300 including the fuel/garage/food etc, best not to think about it and just enjoy yourself and just worry when you run out of real money lol.
 

conor1n

ClioSport Club Member
I mean for the most part people know how much parts cost minus the nut and bolts builds plus they probably don’t wanna come across as billy big balls shouting about how much they spent on their old french car, it’s not a great look. I guess its all about spending money in the right areas, ive purposely upgraded parts in my car slowly over the years, one not to loose interest, two to stop being moaned at and three to save cost, for instance my wet/road wheels are still the ones I was given when I bought the car, I could replace them for something that looks nicer/abit lighter but they do the job so haven’t bothered as yet.


Over the 5 years ive owned my track car its hard to think how much its cost me tbh, not sure I want to add up the receipts and its not even an amazing build, just a generally fairly tidy track hack and it doesn’t even have a diff (yet) :( Car aside each track day costs best part of £300 including the fuel/garage/food etc, best not to think about it and just enjoy yourself and just worry when you run out of real money lol.

I couldn't agree more.. My build will be no where near the top end. Just a couple grand and a lot spent on refurbing/restoring. While people know the rough cost of bits, once you have a lot of stuff together it's anybodys guess as to the final build.

I suppose my thinking was that people will see what you get for the money on a straightforward build. Perhaps I'll just offer to ping over details privately if people are interested in cost. I just wanted to help and not overcompensate for other shortcomings lol.
 

conor1n

ClioSport Club Member
Day 3 - Rear subframe removal

Today I dropped the rear subframe. Made a bit of a mess of it really, as I got the balance of the frame wrong, so when I released it from the car it rotated around the point on the jack, as seen in the pics.

Took out this mounting bar that holds all the trim together. Will probably cut it down before putting back so as to hold the instrument cluster and dash top.

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Went about taking off the wings next, and noticed this fairly rotten looking brake servo.. Probably would have taken a while to noticed that.


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Wipers up next.. rather crudely yanked them off... I'll be able to tidy up before putting back on but if you value your wipers you should buy the correct tool imho.

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These subframe bolts were a pain, I don't quite understand the fittings they were using. They just gave way after a few ugga duggas. I muscled through most of them with the vice grips, but had to grind off the final one. I'll have to figure out how to refit them later without those crappy brackets. Curious how others refit rear subframes.

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conor1n

ClioSport Club Member
Are you using your Turini’s as axle stands??

I sure am.. I will admit it feels fairly shameful, but when the rear was on stands the didn't sit right and you could kind of rock the car so I opted for the safer option.

They were in rough enough shape anyway so will need a refurb, and actually not getting damaged from the car really..
 

RuskiWeldShit

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172, RS4 B7
One thing people don't seem to talk about on here is money... I once asked how much something cost and felt weird.

I think on this thread I might talk about money. Costs, budget etc. It will help give people an idea of what a build costs and where the could save / add cost.

Hahha because it’s a sure way to a depression once you start talking about money. My original budget of 8k was exceeded 3 years ago. I stoped counting after that.


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conor1n

ClioSport Club Member
Hahha because it’s a sure way to a depression once you start talking about money. My original budget of 8k was exceeded 3 years ago. I stoped counting after that.


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Yea, fair point. I actually realised I was going to stop bean counting once I did some back of envelop estimations in Excel.

Much better off to just work away on the car and spend as needed.. keep your head firmly in the sand or clouds, whichever you favour :)
 

RuskiWeldShit

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172, RS4 B7
Yea, fair point. I actually realised I was going to stop bean counting once I did some back of envelop estimations in Excel.

Much better off to just work away on the car and spend as needed.. keep your head firmly in the sand or clouds, whichever you favour :)

That’s exactly how all “big budget” builds start


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ZachB

ClioSport Club Member
  182
What gets to me more is the amount of parts Ive chucked or sold only to buy them again!
 

Eddie555

ClioSport Club Member
  Q7 2018 & 172 Cup.
Hahha because it’s a sure way to a depression once you start talking about money. My original budget of 8k was exceeded 3 years ago. I stoped counting after that.


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Genuine lol. You'd spent £8k on parts before you even bolted anything on it.

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