CUP v V6

James Bushell · Dec 10, 2004

When being dropped off from Renault Tunbridge Wells to the station last tuesday (i was pointing out a rattle), i was chatting to the Mechanic who was dropping me off.

I asked his opininon of which would be quicker across country a Cup or a V6.. as i know how quick POINT - POINT mine is, i dont really see how it could be much quicker..? but he seemed to think itd be a lot quicker..

Can anyone shed any light on this..? obviously if both drivers are of a good standard and conditions as well..? Not that im that bothered, just an intersting debate.. Light FWD v powerful RWD..

TheJesus · Dec 10, 2004

only seen a Vee being thrashed a couple of times. once by Northy and once at York. The one Northy drove seemed really fast, the one at York was poo slow though.

James Bushell · Dec 10, 2004

i should imagine, its get quicker the harder its driven..!?

MarkCup · Dec 10, 2004

Id say if the road was clear then it may favour the V6... but knowing full well how you can man-handle your Cup, it would take a very committed V6 driver to keep up with you on your local stomping ground.

Different; drivers, traffic, roads, conditions - all make a difference... wouldnt have thought thered be anything material in it to be honest.

telford_mike · Dec 10, 2004

Depends on the road I suppose. V6 is a lot faster on a grand prix track thats for sure, but country lanes could be different I guess. As Mark says, in real life they can both go a lot faster than road conditions & traffic will allow, so there probably wouldnt be a lot in it.

James Bushell · Dec 10, 2004

+ its far easier to drive a FWD car v.hard than a RWD..

miketheman2k · Dec 10, 2004

Id agree with the others in that it depends on the type of road, but even then the V6 will only win by a mile if its a long open A-road. On the twisties I think the cup would beat a mk1 V6, but if both drivers gave it their full-commitment, it would be close.

MATT BLACK · Dec 10, 2004

if i had to place a bet on a 172 cup and a V6 clio doing 1 lap at any race track in the UK.........my money is on the cup. Ive owned both cars and clio V6,s are extremely underpowered and poor value for money.

telford_mike · Dec 10, 2004

^^ youd lose big-time if it was Silverstone or Donington Park, youd win if it was Curborough. At Spa in September the V6 had more speed in a straight-line and more grip in the corners. It was no contest.

On a tight twisty track the agility of the Cup (or any 172) might give it the edge.
Ive also owned both!

James Bushell · Dec 10, 2004

Mike.. i agree.. a twisty B road, the cup would say goodbye..

James Bushell · Dec 10, 2004

Mark.. MAN HANDLE..? LOL

miketheman2k · Dec 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by j3ned on 10 December 2004

if i had to place a bet on a 172 cup and a V6 clio doing 1 lap at any race track in the UK.........my money is on the cup. Ive owned both cars and clio V6,s are extremely underpowered and poor value for money.

Whoa, there are comments that Renault could have given the engine a bit more power to match the agressive looks, but "extremely underpowered" is a bit strong, 175bhp per ton is not exactly bad!

[Edited by miketheman2k on 10 December 2004 at 3:55pm]

*cant stop now*.... thats 5bhp per ton more than the cup

stusV6 · Dec 10, 2004

V6 has it every time always and forever..............more grip, more flexability in the engine, more power the figures say its faster

Cya Stu

KDF · Dec 10, 2004

Plus all you need to ask yourself is which one would you rather own

SimonV6 · Dec 10, 2004

You shouldnt be racing on the public highway so it kinda makes the question obsolete doesnt it, I mean for the V6 or Cup to win the driver would have to be a total nutter with NO regard for other road users at all.

Best to keep it on the track and there, the V6 has it....

Are Rally cars faster on tarmac with FWD or RWD?? that should answer your question I guess.

Simon.

stusV6 · Dec 10, 2004

Yep Ill go along with that Simon although Id lose the JUST in "the V6 just has it"

Cya Stu

jon_r · Dec 10, 2004

No, i think as Mike says, itd depend on the road/driver/and circuit in question.

James Bushell · Dec 10, 2004

Im not talking about racing..!!!

I mean a decent drive across country.. more B roads than A roads.. (as on a fast A road, i think the V6 would have an advantage..) and my opinion is based on (from what ive read, rather than driven, as ive heard that it will understeer if not set up for a corner properly..) that you need to be comitted and good in a V6 to really travel quickly on twisty roads.

SimonV6 · Dec 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by stusV6 on 10 December 2004

Yep Ill go along with that Simon although Id lose the JUST in "the V6 just has it"

Cya Stu

OK...

Simon.

jon_r · Dec 10, 2004

Id like to see one on the Breakfast Run put it that way.

stusV6 · Dec 10, 2004

Put it this way as they say.............if it sounds like duck, looks like a duck and walks like a duck then it usually is a duck eh

Cya Stu

SimonV6 · Dec 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by James Bushell on 10 December 2004

Im not talking about racing..!!!

I mean a decent drive across country.. more B roads than A roads.. (as on a fast A road, i think the V6 would have an advantage..) and my opinion is based on (from what ive read, rather than driven, as ive heard that it will understeer if not set up for a corner properly..) that you need to be comitted and good in a V6 to really travel quickly on twisty roads.

OK... if youre not talking about racing, then they are both the same speed...doh..as is my wifes Fiesta 1.6 too, if we are NOT racing...LOL...

Simon.

James Bushell · Dec 10, 2004

Jon.. Yep i agree.....

miketheman2k · Dec 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by James Bushell on 10 December 2004

I mean a decent drive across country.. .

The V6 then, because it has more low down torque which doesnt require wringing the cars neck to extract. I havent found that the V6 understeers either, its quite neutral until the back comes to say hello.

SimonV6 · Dec 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by jon_r on 10 December 2004

Id like to see one on the Breakfast Run put it that way.

What time and where do these "Breakfast runs" start?

I am sure the V6 would have NO trouble keeping up... as long as we are NOT racing, I value my life to much.

More people die on Country raods than anywhere else in this Country...

Simon.

jonnyboy · Dec 10, 2004

mechanic will have driven both cars on a ramp and back off so hardly qualified to jusge but a cup would be quicker round a track. 182 was quicker than a v6mk2 on top gear. In a straight line the v6 would bum rape a cup, but cups are lighter and more agile.

SimonV6 · Dec 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by miketheman2k on 10 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by James Bushell on 10 December 2004

I mean a decent drive across country.. .

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The V6 then, because it has more low down torque which doesnt require wringing the cars neck to extract. I havent found that the V6 understeers either, its quite neutral until the back comes to say hello.

Yeah I agree, the V6 has more grip than people seem to think...

Simon.

SimonV6 · Dec 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by jonnyboy on 10 December 2004

182 was quicker than a v6mk2 on top gear.

No it wasnt???

Simon.

dry for dry....

James Bushell · Dec 10, 2004

Shmall.. http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=7&TopicID=125453&PagePosition=1 http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=7&TopicID=125453&PagePosition=1

jon_r · Dec 10, 2004

Simon!!!

STOP IT!!!!

jon_r · Dec 10, 2004

stusV6 · Dec 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by shmall on 10 December 2004

The V6 then, because it has more low down torque which doesnt require wringing the cars neck to extract. I havent found that the V6 understeers either, its quite neutral until the back comes to say hello.

Yeah I agree, the V6 has more grip than people seem to think...

Simon.

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Now youre talking Mike and Si.............thats exactly rite

Cya Stu

SimonV6 · Dec 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by James Bushell on 10 December 2004

Shmall.. http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=7&TopicID=125453&PagePosition=1 http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=7&TopicID=125453&PagePosition=1

OK thanks for that James, but not into rallying myself, much prefer track racing.

Been to a rally a long time ago and it seemed to be hours of standing in the rain when every so often a whistle would blow and a rally car would blast through never to be seen again..lol

Not my thing at all...

Simon.

SimonV6 · Dec 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by jon_r on 10 December 2004

Simon!!!

STOP IT!!!!

Cant help it jon..sorry

Simon.

Pete · Dec 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by jon_r on 10 December 2004

No, i think as Mike says, itd depend on the road/driver/and circuit in question.

Yup, Ive ragged both a 172 and v6 round a track and for that track in question (bedford) the v6 was quicker, however Id put money on the 172 being quicker round curborough.

James Bushell · Dec 10, 2004

fair enough.. but as its 5 mins from my house.....................

jon_r · Dec 10, 2004

Simon, the rallying bit afterwards is optional, its the breakfast run itself thats interesting

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