dci 65 help. remap/tuning?

[NED FLANDERS]

gotta dci 65 want more! its a second car, so cant justify extra tax/insurance etc to replace it. (altough the thought of getting a 172 is tempting) wanna know if theres an easy way to get more power? i see that they do a dci 100, although rare!! am i right that the dci 80 has an inercooler where the dci 65 dont? will a remap etc help a iccle 65 or am i best to sell and get a 100? want a bit more power for little ££ any usefull info appreciated. whereas slagging off a dci and going on about clio sports wont help me!!!!

 

[172Ben]

Pics?

 

[kevo66]

Go see paul at RS Tuning, job done!

 

[Martin_172]

standard car with map will give around 95bhp+ for £395 or there abouts i think RS tuning charges.

you can play about using DCi80 or DCi100 intercooler but the limit on the 65 infact on all of them in injectors, you can use dci80/dci100 injectors (i beleive they are both the same) to run a bit more power and with an uprated clutch mega mega torque.

i beleive the fuel pump on the dci100 runs about 200psi more?

need to weigh it all up, id just do a remap if i was you, maby an intercooler too i got more mpg just fitting a dci 80 intercooler lol

 

[shanehunt2000]

is it easy to fit the dci 80 intercooler?

 

[vincent]

Yes but easier to fit a dci100 one

 

[rbolton]

chip wizards in milnrow do a get job. my mate got his dun yday. got i dun for free for doin jobs for him tho. got it workin fine no turbo lag or nefin. jus the odd blast of black s**t cumin out the exhaust got his up 2 90bhp. i heard the guy pretty hard 2 get hold of tho

 

[shanehunt2000]

right, and will it give me better fuel consumption on a 65bhp model, becasue im thinking of getting a pro-bitz tuning box, becasue remap to expensive lol

 

[NED FLANDERS]

standard car with map will give around 95bhp+ for £395 or there abouts i think RS tuning charges.

you can play about using DCi80 or DCi100 intercooler but the limit on the 65 infact on all of them in injectors, you can use dci80/dci100 injectors (i beleive they are both the same) to run a bit more power and with an uprated clutch mega mega torque.

i beleive the fuel pump on the dci100 runs about 200psi more?

need to weigh it all up, id just do a remap if i was you, maby an intercooler too i got more mpg just fitting a dci 80 intercooler lol

thanks for all theese replys, especially this one!! very helpfull. spoke to a guy at sca race and rally in norwich, and he says for £490 you can get a dci 100 to 120 bhp, and 250 torque- my old 2.5v6 gsi was about 190 torque i think, so a sorted dci 100 should be pretty good mid range- which is where you need it most. if i can get good money for mine may change car!!

 

[R666CHE]

I'v got a plug and play box for sale off my clio 65 for £150. Took it upto 80bhp when it was on the car. Any question give me a private message. Thanks Claire

 

[Martin_172]

thanks for all theese replys, especially this one!! very helpfull. spoke to a guy at sca race and rally in norwich, and he says for £490 you can get a dci 100 to 120 bhp, and 250 torque- my old 2.5v6 gsi was about 190 torque i think, so a sorted dci 100 should be pretty good mid range- which is where you need it most. if i can get good money for mine may change car!!

no problem mate.

dci100 apparently doesnt have the best gearbox BUT ive never driven one so thats just what ive read on here. its pretty similar to the dci 80 but has a better intercooler, slightly different turbo and i beleive it may have slightly different injectors but not 100% on that.

i beleive the limit on the injectors is some where between 115 and 125bhp but once again not 100% on that but something to look into someone also said citroen C4 HDi inejectors flow more and fit, but starting to look at silly money to have them coded to the car and even get a set in the first place!

Paul @ RStuning told me i would need an uprated clutch to get the most out of it, he can map the torque well past what the clutch can take, but no one seems to do one, ive not had a proper look at one to see if i can make a 172 one fit, but im about to strip mine down soon as the flywheel has gone so hopefully ill have a bit more info soon!

 

[Macester]

yes martin, yes yes yes! when is it getting stripped? take pictures of the beast!

 

[vincent]

AP and Sachs do make uprated clutches that will fit, a dci65 has the same gearbox as a valver so i expect it to share the same clutch setup aswell


The dci100 has the same injectors as the dci80, but it has a diffrent dieselpump, it deliveres 200bar more than the dci80 item.
The intercooler from a dci100 is 17% more effective as the dci80 one due to better placing (more exposed to cold air)
The dci100 also has a variable geometry turbo which produces as much boost as the non varable dci80 & 65 turbo, ie 1.2 bar on overboost.
Also the bottom end on a dci100 comes from a megane and is different to the bottom end of a dci 80&65

Oh and also, it's pointless imo remapping a dci65 if you don't put an intercooler on first

 

[Macester]

vincent, what a man!

alright mate, you need to make a project thread on your car! did you take pictures when doing the build?

 

[Martin_172]

yes martin, yes yes yes! when is it getting stripped? take pictures of the beast!

its sitting outside my birds house at the moment but hopefully ill get it towed on tuesday if my mate moves his ass and ill start to strip it on tuesday maby!! plenty pics and a thread dont worry!

 

[vincent]

Aah Mr Macester, all is well i hope


Also I think i'll make a thread about my dci on here aswell, just to aid the search function

 

[Martin_172]

cheers for the info Vincent, ill look into they clutches

 

[Macester]

Aah Mr Macester, all is well i hope


Also I think i'll make a thread about my dci on here aswell, just to aid the search function

yes my man, all is great at the moment, hope you are well! nice to see you posting, whatever happened to dcioffice.net i will never know! gold mine that place was :dapprove:

a project thread would be grateful

@martin, i'll be watching out for the thread, can't wait!

 

[Martin_172]

@martin, i'll be watching out for the thread, can't wait!

i can lol, trying to take a 8yr old 150k mile car apart, everything will be rusted on haha ahh well means i can give the front end a wee overhall while im at it!

 

[Macester]

LOL so true, took me and my brother 3 nights after work to replace my clutch! just thought id slip that in for some motivation! :rasp:

 

[nickyc]

Would it be financially wise just to change car, especially the cost involved for the remap, clutch and engine mods?

 

[Martin_172]

was that question to me or the OP? if it was to me not really car cost £1500 to buy, probably about £5/600 mods taking total cost to just over £2000 then ive still got 70mpg, 120+bhp and probably about 200lb/ft of torque lol

 

[Macester]

^ what that man said. can buy a dci, spend around 1k on mods, if that. it will be pretty fast with amazing mpg and £35 tax. oh and also low insurance group, you do the maths!

you get a dci up to 140bhp with that much torque, I reckon it would be equal power with a 1*2

 

[vincent]

INtercooler dci100 from reno = 200£
Piping for intercooler also +/- 200£
Decat = free if you are a bit handy
CAF and panel filter = not worth mentioning, but very needed indeed
Dci80 injectors = bout 100£ from the fleabay, 50£ programming them to the car
Remap, a custom one with several sessions on the RR = 300 - 400£

That my friends is what it takes to get 120bhp,, but if you are smart you don't get it mapped on BHP but suited to deliver torque, like i did so it produces 276Nm

If you want more, you'll have to find bigger injectors first and prolly a drffrent pump aswell (focus 1.6tdci could fit)
ANd then you'll have to bolt on a bigger turbo, something like a Garrett VNT-15 from an Audi 1.9tdi 130

All that could make for about 130-135 bhp and 270-280Nm of torque


Getting a dci65 or 80 to 140 brake will ask for headwork and more

Mpg will keep going up and up and up though

 

[vincent]

yes my man, all is great at the moment, hope you are well! nice to see you posting, whatever happened to dcioffice.net i will never know! gold mine that place was :dapprove:

a project thread would be grateful

@martin, i'll be watching out for the thread, can't wait!

Yea mate everythings well, it's nice to see your still on here aswell.

Dcioffice was verschwunden because Manji didn't pay for the domain or something like that, too bad i didn't know that at the time, otherwise i would have paid for it but meh.
Thank god i remember most of what was on there.

Project thread is in order i see, i will call it the dci tuning appreciation thread:clown:

 

[Macester]

you are still running standard clutch yeah vincent, how is it with handling the power still? been a few miles since its been running 126bhp&276nm hasnt it?

haha dci tuning appreciation thread, perfect I think!

is that why it shutdown because manji couldnt pay for the name? god damn I would have paid for it as well! is everyone still around for the dci's? we should look into setting another website up. I bet manji still has all the docs that were on the dcioffice.

 

[vincent]

you are still running standard clutch yeah vincent, how is it with handling the power still? been a few miles since its been running 126bhp&276nm hasnt it?

haha dci tuning appreciation thread, perfect I think!

is that why it shutdown because manji couldnt pay for the name? god damn I would have paid for it as well! is everyone still around for the dci's? we should look into setting another website up. I bet manji still has all the docs that were on the dcioffice.

Yup still standard clutch, which is fine, apart from the fact that i can't put my foot down in any gear exept first and second:clown:, i was searching for a replacement upgraded one, but at the same time the perfect 172 that i wanted came along so i never got round changing the clutch. However it's still the first clutch thats in and the car is on 70K miles, been at that power since it had 40K, reliability isn't an issue if you drive and service them correctly.


A new dcioffice would be well sweet, or just to begin a dci sub section on here would be a nice start

 

[Macester]

what about the other gears, too much torque lol? I see so thats why you stopped on the dci front for a while!

yeah I wouldn't mind a sub section on here only thing is people from other countries don't tend to come on here that much :dapprove: are there any other dci sites you know of? got to try and get passed this language barrier.

 

[EdwardTobia]

I would be interested in a dedicated section or site for the DCI cars as i myself have a 2004 Clio DCI 80 @ approx 110bhp as of performance exhaust system, K&N panel filter and TDI-Tuning.co.uk performance tuning box...

Pulls very nicely, but as said would be great to have another section or site that can help me get even more out of it

 

[lee131]

nice progress on here my dci 65 made 72 bhp on the rollers monday its being mapped saturday and rollered again monday so i'll keep you updated only mods on it are k an n panel filter, is the performance exhaust worth doing as i could knock one up myself in all honesty

 

[vincent]

Exhaust not worth doing, but a decat will give you significant gains

 

[lee131]

and if im not mistaken the decat will still pass the MOT, the cats just on the first strech on the horizontal downpipe?

 

[lee131]

PS clutch aint too clever when standard i found out earlier it was stinkin!

 

[shanehunt2000]

so you got like 15bhp from just a panel filter???

 

[Macester]

no chance of 15bhp from that alone

 

[Martin_172]

i beleive they run 70 odd bhp as standard tho the 65's?

 

[Macester]

mine ran 72bhp on the rollers on standard map but that was with intercooler. edde used to say they were more 70bhp than 65

 

[vincent]

and if im not mistaken the decat will still pass the MOT, the cats just on the first strech on the horizontal downpipe?

yup it will pass mot and yes its the barrel thingy under the turbo.

If you have the time and want to do the effort, have a good gander around the cat and look how the gasses have to flow, you'll figure out quite fast why a decat can make such a difference on these dci's

 

[Martin_172]

ill get some pics tomorrow or friday of the cat

 

[Macester]

nice one martin, as many pics as poss, will be able to get them on the new forum for sharing