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EcoTek things
- Thread starter Se7en172
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Black Gold with cup packs
I don't care about better fuel economy I just want to know If it works?
I am willing to be convinced, so I went to the web site and read what was there.
It had all the signs of a con.
For example they admitted that if you put a car fitted with it on a dyno you wouldn't see any improvement. But they blamed that on dynos not being a good enough test to show up the improvement. Then a bit further along they admitted that if you measured the emissions of a vehicle fitted with the product you also wouldn't see any difference. But again this wasn't because the product didn't do anything.
Supposedly it introduced turbulence into the airflow in the collector part of the manifold. Maybe that could have some effect on mixture homogeniety and atomisation for a car with single point injection. But its not going to any measurable effect on a car with multipoint injection. And by saying the dyno doesn't show any, and an emissions test doesn't show any, they're admitting it doesn't.
The only effect is on the belief of someone who's just paid good money for it who will imagine anything that they've wasted their money.
But then that 's the case with a lot of things car hotter-uppers do to their cars. They tell themselves that this or that "improves power" when all its done is created the perception the car's going faster because its making more noise, or that "improves throttle response" when if it has its only by virtue of lightening their wallet.
If you can't see something in the results a dyno produce, and you can't see it in the results an emission test produce, it ain't there.
It had all the signs of a con.
For example they admitted that if you put a car fitted with it on a dyno you wouldn't see any improvement. But they blamed that on dynos not being a good enough test to show up the improvement. Then a bit further along they admitted that if you measured the emissions of a vehicle fitted with the product you also wouldn't see any difference. But again this wasn't because the product didn't do anything.
Supposedly it introduced turbulence into the airflow in the collector part of the manifold. Maybe that could have some effect on mixture homogeniety and atomisation for a car with single point injection. But its not going to any measurable effect on a car with multipoint injection. And by saying the dyno doesn't show any, and an emissions test doesn't show any, they're admitting it doesn't.
The only effect is on the belief of someone who's just paid good money for it who will imagine anything that they've wasted their money.
But then that 's the case with a lot of things car hotter-uppers do to their cars. They tell themselves that this or that "improves power" when all its done is created the perception the car's going faster because its making more noise, or that "improves throttle response" when if it has its only by virtue of lightening their wallet.
If you can't see something in the results a dyno produce, and you can't see it in the results an emission test produce, it ain't there.
Black Gold with cup packs
Cheers fella Good job, great explanation. Like yourself I looked at the add in this months Top Gear Mag and thought it to be "To Good To Be True", I was willing to be Covinced, and in all honesty I was hoping it would work as it sounded like a great feature. But once again greed, cheek and arseholes get in the way again. Cheers again I will not be looking at any of these product again
RenaultSport 197
I've had one of these fitted for 2 months and immediately took it off!! Avoid it with a barge pole!
You don't get any improvements on torque or acceleration at all and it doesn't actually cure any flat spots my car had. Also when you took your foot off the accelerator it made a really loud rasping noise which actually makes your car sound like it has a problem - not very sport like at all!!
After I took it off and had a look at the unit, I took it apart to find that actually the inside of the valve the spring had corroded and was very stiff and the actual valve head was clogged with carbon!! A big dissapointment and I won't recommend these to anybody. Fitting was easy enough, even though I had to sever a vacuum pipe to get it to fit, but overall it did nothing I could see that made it a better drive. I've also heard from various car engine experts that over long periods of time, it can actually mess up the internals of the manifold/ plenum chamber.
After I took it off and put it my engine back to standard again and got a K&N panel filter the feel of the engine was amazing again. I can now feel something when I put my foot down, instead of slowely creeping up to 60mph. No gay noise, no changes in fuel consumption and no flat spots!
The only thing I can say that is positive is when you get a colour coded one with the P-X breather filter on it, it does look like a decent engine mod that looks like it does something. But in reality I think it's a overstated product and should be revised on the drawing board!!
You don't get any improvements on torque or acceleration at all and it doesn't actually cure any flat spots my car had. Also when you took your foot off the accelerator it made a really loud rasping noise which actually makes your car sound like it has a problem - not very sport like at all!!
After I took it off and had a look at the unit, I took it apart to find that actually the inside of the valve the spring had corroded and was very stiff and the actual valve head was clogged with carbon!! A big dissapointment and I won't recommend these to anybody. Fitting was easy enough, even though I had to sever a vacuum pipe to get it to fit, but overall it did nothing I could see that made it a better drive. I've also heard from various car engine experts that over long periods of time, it can actually mess up the internals of the manifold/ plenum chamber.
After I took it off and put it my engine back to standard again and got a K&N panel filter the feel of the engine was amazing again. I can now feel something when I put my foot down, instead of slowely creeping up to 60mph. No gay noise, no changes in fuel consumption and no flat spots!
The only thing I can say that is positive is when you get a colour coded one with the P-X breather filter on it, it does look like a decent engine mod that looks like it does something. But in reality I think it's a overstated product and should be revised on the drawing board!!
Megane coupe 1.6 16v
Simple facts of the mater:
1) they say they increase performance and economy
2) They are activated from the plenum vacuum on a vacuum line (brake servo for example)
3) There is no vacuum when you foot is on the gas pedal so how the fcuk can it increase performance and economy when its not being used when your foot is on the gas.............
All i can see it doing is to make your revs drop slower when you coast in gear.
1) they say they increase performance and economy
2) They are activated from the plenum vacuum on a vacuum line (brake servo for example)
3) There is no vacuum when you foot is on the gas pedal so how the fcuk can it increase performance and economy when its not being used when your foot is on the gas.............
All i can see it doing is to make your revs drop slower when you coast in gear.
RenaultSport 197
Point #3 mate it actually is supposed to work by allowing air into the plenum chamber while you change gear and when you temporarily take your foot off the accelerator it sucks the air in, so when you put your foot back down because of the extra air in the manifold you get a little kick from it.. allegedly though.
Megane coupe 1.6 16v
How i understood they led you to believe it worked was the ecotek created turbulence in the plenum as you was on the gas and turbulance was meant to give a more effecient burn.
Maybe lots of people noticed the obvious like myself and they changed their approach.
Its still crap though, as soon as your off the gas the ICV is drawing in all the air it needs to make you idle
Maybe lots of people noticed the obvious like myself and they changed their approach.
Its still crap though, as soon as your off the gas the ICV is drawing in all the air it needs to make you idle
