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- Thread starter Bluebeard
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Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
Good stuff.
does beaniemoo's have an emulator on it? please say it does! hopefully the ecu hasnt got the ecuclinic curse :dapprove:
edit. it has no emulator, hopefully it wont be a 1.4 map like mine or a megane map like Matteh's
if the rev limiter is OK when youve got it running just never re-map it or the immobiliser will re-activate lol
edit. it has no emulator, hopefully it wont be a 1.4 map like mine or a megane map like Matteh's
if the rev limiter is OK when youve got it running just never re-map it or the immobiliser will re-activate lolYeah, it will run fine like mine and mattehs were. Just you might have a ghey limiter like we did, and crap performance due to it being some fooked up map...
Beanie never knew what it was revving to as he never got the rev counter working either
Fingers crossed its ok! I wouldnt put it past the ECUClinic though
Beanie never knew what it was revving to as he never got the rev counter working either
Fingers crossed its ok! I wouldnt put it past the ECUClinic though
Poopensharten
ClioSport Club Member
Golf R
Needs a car thats quick enough to get him out of dogging spots
I jest Daniel you cuddly bear you
Bluebeard
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
When your a business owner, Dad and a (pretty crap) Husband, lets see how you do then. Mr 'All the time in the world to do stuff'
I think we've done quite well seeing as we average about one evening every three weeks!
Jordan has worried me now though, so i'm going to pm Beanimoo a link to this thread.... :S
It will run, but the limiter might be lower than it should be, like all the other ECU's that have come out of the ECUClinic seem to have had....
If thats the case its probably the wrong map, but if you flash it with a map thats correct it will re-activate the immobiliser.....to get around that you need an emulator
If thats the case its probably the wrong map, but if you flash it with a map thats correct it will re-activate the immobiliser.....to get around that you need an emulator
Daniel....he wouldnt have know if he didnt have a working rev counter, it will feel pretty quick anyway, my 1.4 map did, then when it was working on the right map it was twice as good! ECUClinic seem to have a crap reputation with 172 ecus!
Burp...emulator (30 quid) soldered onto pin 58 (immobiliser pin) on the inside of the ECU, power + earth to it too, 2 minute job to install.
The ECU then needs virginising. This can be done by: writing a map to the ECU with RSTuner --- OR --- get paul at RSTuning to do it (£75+VAT).
This will 'activate' the emulator so to speak, and it will be fine. You can then map it/change the map as many times as you want and not have to worry about the immobiliser ever again.
Burp...emulator (30 quid) soldered onto pin 58 (immobiliser pin) on the inside of the ECU, power + earth to it too, 2 minute job to install.
The ECU then needs virginising. This can be done by: writing a map to the ECU with RSTuner --- OR --- get paul at RSTuning to do it (£75+VAT).
This will 'activate' the emulator so to speak, and it will be fine. You can then map it/change the map as many times as you want and not have to worry about the immobiliser ever again.
Bluebeard
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
If you're having trouble, then i'm fcuked!!
Basically, the ECU gets a 'code' from the UCH, which comes to the ecu down a wire via Pin58.
After you flashed it with the RSTuner + Group N, the ECU was virginised. (Basically this means the immobiliser 'code' in the ECU's memory has been wiped). BUT, as soon as you turned the ignition back on after flashing, the ECU requested the 'code' again from the UCH, and stored it. This then means the car can start etc...
Problem is now, your ECU still has this 'code' in its memory. So, if you hooked up an emulator, the 'code' in the ECU and the 'code' on the emulator would not match, so the immobiliser would activate.
This is the reason you have to virginise the ECU (Using RSTuner, or RSTuning etc) so the 'code' is wiped. Then cut the wire going to pin 58 in the loom, so the UCH cannot communicate with the ECU, as the ECU will now be getting its 'code' from the emulator, thats what its there for.
So once its virginised, you fit the emulator, then turn the ingition on. The ECU will get its 'code' from the emulator and stores it. ECU thinks the UCH is there when it isnt, and lets the car start. Problem solved.
This will also apply if you ever have a remap, etc, as when the ingition is turned back on the ECU will just get its 'code' from the emulator again, so its not a problem
And thats how it works in a nutshell as far as I know!
Pauls virginising is just for the standard 172 map iirc.
'92 172, Lotus Elise
foxy is on the money
I just thought I should clarify something though:
say you had a mk1 (or any car without the uch to send the imobiliser signal). If you were to just buy a 100% stock 172 ecu, you wouldn't be able to connect RSTuner and 'flash' it to virginise it because the imobiliser would stop you.
you would either have to get Paul@RSTuning to virginise it or ECUClinic to stick one of their maps on (not recommended as they got mine and f0xys wrong, but I guess you'll be wiping it off anyway). Alternatively, I think you can buy the decode unit yourself for £200ish
*then* you could connect rstuner and flash to group n (or whatever) and install the emulator
hope that makes sense!
I just thought I should clarify something though:
say you had a mk1 (or any car without the uch to send the imobiliser signal). If you were to just buy a 100% stock 172 ecu, you wouldn't be able to connect RSTuner and 'flash' it to virginise it because the imobiliser would stop you.
you would either have to get Paul@RSTuning to virginise it or ECUClinic to stick one of their maps on (not recommended as they got mine and f0xys wrong, but I guess you'll be wiping it off anyway). Alternatively, I think you can buy the decode unit yourself for £200ish
*then* you could connect rstuner and flash to group n (or whatever) and install the emulator
hope that makes sense!
iimushroomzii
Toilet roll king
Transit Connect.
Daniel, I cant imagine beaniemoo's ecu having a lower redline, his car was f**king quick at a C16vmeet!
iimushroomzii
Toilet roll king
Transit Connect.
Im no expert but it was bloody quick! Guess its just a case of stick it in and see!
iimushroomzii
Toilet roll king
Transit Connect.
I'd have thought he/they would have noticed! Didnt have any trouble putting his foot down thats for sure!
Matteh's was higher, but still the wrong map completely.
Also, they were not using the JB3 box that I was (1.8) i dont think, so the speed on the limiter would have been higher (longer ratios)...
When we asked them what limiter theres was at when we first had the issues, they said 'we have no idea as the rev counter never worked' lol, but it really could have been anything....may have been a 1.6 map, or even a 2.0 map, but the wrong one (like mattehs)...
We'l just have to wait and see when you get it running, il keep the link for the emulator saved though
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