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Hello im new to the forum
- Thread starter SAX_MAN
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Welcome Ralphy.
Take a wee look at the link on the last post here -------> http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=24913&PagePosition=1&ThreadPage=1http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=24913&PagePosition=1&ThreadPage=1
My scooby was a UK300 with no prodrive converstion ie standard wrx.
I think the cup blitzes the wrx for thottle response and outright quickness but this could be because it is smaller and more harsh to drive. With the weather being so sh1te over the last 3 weeks I have not had a real chance to have a good blast but the Cup seems more fun to drive and much cheaper to run.
Jaycup
I would only get a cup on track..in fact no id just get a 172 on track too! Its more fun, obviously not as quick but who cares? The cup is quite fidgety on the road under breaking in anything but a perfect road, throttle response is very good and it really will blow the socks off more expensive motors but thats not quite enough to justify it being worth getting over the normal 172. Thats my opinion anyway..im a big fan of abs and air con in road cars!!
Trust me the performance difference over a VTS is VAST! Mate had a VTS and now has a CTR and said they are worlds apart. Then he drove my Cup and scared himself sh1tless!
In summary a VTS is good, no doubt, but a Cup is well worth the money. All those car mags that rated the Cup the top hot hatch in the UK cant all be wrong?!
The VTS is a very good car but the 172/cup has it beaten in every area, i cant see how youd be dissapointed. If you like your old skool hot hatches..the cup will be right up your street. The 172 is the all round package however. Obvious comparison cars are the CTR which in my opinion havent got as good a chassis as i would of hoped, and road noise is annoying..but i guess im a wimp. Hard to compare a scooby as really theyre totally different, but id take a 172 over it.
I dont know how much your VTS is worth now, but Id be tempted to hang on to it. One of the area reps - Craggy - has a Williams, but also recently bought a VTS.
Hes impressed us all with its pace (with his videos) and certainly opened my eyes to the VTS.
But the Cup is in the next performance league up - get one!
Tom
ClioSport Club Member
EV (s)
Buy either, youll love it
ralphy, get a 172 but dont take that video result as what would happen, THAT is the only 172 that goes like that, against a vts thats only done a 1000 miles, think most people here think there car goes lie paddys, but iv seen loads go, and not one yet that could match it, none have ever came close to john like paddys did. just my 2p worth, youd still get beat but not like that.
craggy
get a 172 sport
Its got all the toys you need when stuck in traffic 9which tends to be most of the time but has the power when you get on an open road.
Saxos are like Rabbits - Whoops best not start that one again.
Tom
ClioSport Club Member
EV (s)
320d M Sport
it wouldnt take too much to get a VTS quicker than a 172 (to 60). to 100 is another matter altogether, it has about 3/4 seconds to make up.... theyre not slow though, said that for ages, for the money you wont get much else better (new car, free insurance,dead easy to work on etc etc).
Paddy
Craggy
Just out of interest, how does Paddys Mk2 compare to the Mk1s youve been in (such as Forest172s)?
Those vids of your Saxo will make me think twice before picking on VTSs again mate!!!
I wouldve come along to the meet, but didnt know anything about it until late Sunday night when I got back home to my broadband connection! Arse! More notice next time please lads!
My cars feeling much better since a good old ragging round Donnington a couple of months back, so Id have liked to see how it compared...Matt
well ralphy one thing I will say about Renault is far from being conservative with their performance figures like Peugeot/Citroen, they are too liberal IMHO. Always looks better on paper than it really is! But there is no doubt that a 172/cup are the next step up from a VTS or 106GTi.
Also Ray (?) the throttle response of the Cup vs the Scooby is bound to be a lot better simply because its not turbocharged, when you floor it the power is there straight away as long as your at the right revs.
tough one that mat, theres only one mk1 around iv seen that would take paddys out and its tim0 but his is tuned, and like a missile.i really cant imagine any standard one beating it i mean, its a freak really with 152@ the wheels so i wouldnt be to bothered if i got beat by paddy in a 172, itts only the same thing people had to put up with with me and jon in the willys
.like i said, there may be a few fast ones around, a few spring to mind that have been notoriously fast but id be shocked. only way to find out is a race mate!Paddy0s right it wouldnt take much to get the vts time down.
A lad on SSC had a stripped out vts with only an induction kit and a manifold, on a timed day at Bruntingthorpe his fastest 0-60 time was 6.3 secs, cant rememeber his 0-100, will find out as that is the important one!
Some n/a vtss are starting to appear with more power now due to the time weve had to mod them.
Im sure the same will be said of the 172 in 6 months to a year.
Although if i had a 172 i dont think i would mess with it (too much) its fine as it is
Craggy where did you film those vids????
