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HOW UNINFORMED !!!!!!!





I have read so much nonsence about CUPs. Even to the extent that they have a DIFFERENT Gear RATIOS and ENGINE MAPS ( U guys have to understand there is no difference other than a small weight saviing (granted, small increase in performance). Having had all three over three years. This madness is pathetic. Even to the stage that the MK1 VS MK2 is so far apart.

U guys need to understand there is no real dif.. between MK1 & MK2 & CUP

Other than it appearts CUP guys have an inferiority complex

Having had an alloy bonet MK1 and U all forget most of MK1s were steel. There is too much nonsence about weight. MK1- MK2 most would be 15-20KGs and that is generous. The vast majority of changes are electrical not bodywork

why cant U guys just say the real "Truth". If U want a 0.40 - 0.0 difference between what is essentially the same car Say so , dont use excuses for lack of "what is basic every day specs." (sorry Renault, have played a good hand here) Yet again you may want JUST the "cut down" version, which is fantastic.

Sorry I have heard so much nonesence about CUPS being so different to MK12 172S.

Christ there is no real dif.

BIT OF WEIGHT LOSS.

What idiots have being saying "Hologen lights weigh so much" !!!!Must be all of 1lb (.5kg God, No they do not even weight so much more). Granted the wheels must ne an extra 10KG. What else, some wiiring. Where is the weight in a climate control????????

(sorry 3mm drop & track difference that is almost unnoticable, being it is almost entirely offset wheel allignment )

There seem to be some "uneducated people" that rely on magazines for information.

What fools!!!!! None of these actually give fair or consistent answers

0-60 ranges from 6.6 - 8.5.( PS. includes the whole RS range) exept V6

I do accept peoples choices, however there is "reality" and just say "YEH MY CAR IS QUICK" Its what we want afterall. Enjoy UR full on version 0r UR cut down one. WHO CARES??????????

just accept that there is no "real" difference between all the RS Clios.

Any IDIOT that says the CUP is a "special" "Track day car" "different map/gear box/"Group N derived" U people have bought into as much B***SH*T as the REPUBLICAN GUARD.

People on this site used to listen to experience & years of knowledge.

SHAME!!!!! NO MORE

What a waste, All anyone seems to do is argue with no clue as to reality. TOO MANY YOUNG FOOLS " NOT ENOUGH GRIP ON REALITY"

I WILL BT FLAMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bring it on. Only in that U childish individuals have no clue as to actually driving safely and quickly on roads. If U R under 30(well, maybe older, like me) with no real experience U "WILL NOT" have a clue . U will undoubtebly be able to get the power down quicker to BURN peoole off. Who knows your rediculous intentions "Ive burnt this N that"

YET!!!!!!!!!

No one knows. THIS Rhetoric means "SH*TE"

I have driven cars and never crashed, and I mean driving.

e.g. (TODAY) PUNTO GT T pulls away as we turn R into the junction. He sees me and goes. GOD does he go, If I had followed I would have been yet another young fool. I watch the road ahead. He went like a teenager and had to brake before the car ahead. "D!!K" So easy !!!Already watched & followed the road, While young fool was trying to beat me all I had to do was watch the space. Within 200 yds I was gone past him, and two others. So what I did not respond to an idiot youngster who thought "I can burn him"

10 years of advanced Police driving has told me DONT LET CHILDREN THINK THEY KNOW BETTER.

That may include U people who think they are the best drivers in the world on roads.

Tracks and drag stips are a way to make U feel good, but will kill U or UR car ( as we have all seen so much of) if U take this BSH!! on the public roads.

I know I will not be loved for this!!!!

However, I and a few other people here will.. Flame me if U will. Matters not.

I know, I should not preach, given what I have said,

I did not need to be in anyway dangerous to prove a point,. It is called being aware!!!!!!

Blaze
 


lol! Hi Blaze....not seen you on the forum much recently (we met when you drove your brand new MK2 all the way to Ladybower from London, you nutter!).

Just going to go put my fingers in my ears now..... ;)

Rhys
 


Quote: Originally posted by blaze on 09 April 2003


Where is the weight in a climate control????????

i couldnt be arsed to read it all but have you ever actually held an a/c condensor, dryer, evaporator, compressor and all the pipes in your hands ? im guessing NO so i wouldnt make assumptions on weight
 
  320d M Sport


bloody hell Mark!! not heard from you for ages and then a 10000000000000 word essay! i know what u mean though, as i said some time ago it would appear that "Cup Snobbery" is invading Cliosport :(
 


I think there is far too much just "snobbery" on this site at the moment, not just cup snobbery, but Mk1 snobbery and mk2 snobbery and any chance everybody gets to say mine is better - we have a lot of members, and a wide variety of cars - there is no need to keep on saying mine is better or mine is faster.
 
  Clio Williams 1, 182,197


Yer this cup snobbery is invading Cliosport just the same as 172 snobbery invaided Cliosport sometime ago !!

It was such a nice friendly site when it started !! Can we not all try harder to just enjoy our cars no matter what we drive and get along !! Remember the are reasons why people get 1.2s and older cars !!

Lecture over !! Burn if you wish !! :D
 
  S2000


Bit of a bullsh*t post if you ask me, have you actually driven and felt the difference a Cup has over a 172??

This is coming from a 172 owner btw!
 


not one to be throwing the boot in, but ren took a risk making the cup ie; its cheaper and will enable younger drivers to have a taste for a fast car. Like when i went to look at one this kid was there with his bird, it kinda put me off, he saw my mk1 and said nice his bird then butted in saying there faster though, meaning the cup. :sleep:
 


The thing that makes me laugh is that when 172 owners defend against some of the comments made about Cups being soooo much faster, you get an impression that people are thinking that 172 owners are jealous! However, any 172 owner could have a Cup!! - they are cheaper, so an informed decision has taken place in the buying process.

Its more of a case of defending against ridiculous sounding comments. I think every 172 owner will agree that a Cup is a little quicker as standard - its bound to be! But to start saying that a Cup is considerably quicker just sounds wrong to me!

They are all great cars, as are the previous generation fast Clios, so I dont understand the bitching amongst the ranks, as it were.
 


Quote: Originally posted by paddymph on 09 April 2003

it just appears to be Cup owners though? or am i mistaken?
I personally think we have been through it with the 172s (both Mk1 and Mk2) in that they have sl*gged each other off previously as well, no its not just the Cup owners at all - in fact if you search long and hard enough you will also have found some snobbery by the 16V and Williams owners as well.

We belong to the same Club, for basically the same reasons - THAT REASON BEING CLIOs !!
 
  S2000


Well Kis, why dont you either lock/delete all vs threads or, like the CTR board, create a vs forum. Anyone that doesnt like the bullsh*t can stay out!?
 


The thing I wish this forum had is a grammar/spelling correcter! I feel like Im turning into a English teacher, wielding a great big red pen and wanting to cross half of it out and start again! I know not everyone is that great at getting stuff down on a page but *pleeeease* can we have a few more full stops at least? Its like one big breathless sentence half the time!

Anyway, thats MY rant for the day over. And my flame suit is firmly on! ;) :D
 


Quote: Originally posted by teady172 on 09 April 2003

Im not the one wafling unsubstantiated crap kis172!
your opinion I take it? but are you insinuating that everyone else is then by this remark????
 
  S2000


Quote: Originally posted by blaze on 09 April 2003


I have read so much nonsence about CUPs. Even to the extent that they have a DIFFERENT Gear RATIOS and ENGINE MAPS ( U guys have to understand there is no difference other than a small weight saviing (granted, small increase in performance). Having had all three over three years. This madness is pathetic. Even to the stage that the MK1 VS MK2 is so far apart.

U guys need to understand there is no real dif.. between MK1 & MK2 & CUP

Other than it appearts CUP guys have an inferiority complex

Having had an alloy bonet MK1 and U all forget most of MK1s were steel. There is too much nonsence about weight. MK1- MK2 most would be 15-20KGs and that is generous. The vast majority of changes are electrical not bodywork

why cant U guys just say the real "Truth". If U want a 0.40 - 0.0 difference between what is essentially the same car Say so , dont use excuses for lack of "what is basic every day specs." (sorry Renault, have played a good hand here) Yet again you may want JUST the "cut down" version, which is fantastic.

Sorry I have heard so much nonesence about CUPS being so different to MK12 172S.

Christ there is no real dif.

BIT OF WEIGHT LOSS.

What idiots have being saying "Hologen lights weigh so much" !!!!Must be all of 1lb (.5kg God, No they do not even weight so much more). Granted the wheels must ne an extra 10KG. What else, some wiiring. Where is the weight in a climate control????????

(sorry 3mm drop & track difference that is almost unnoticable, being it is almost entirely offset wheel allignment )

There seem to be some "uneducated people" that rely on magazines for information.

What fools!!!!! None of these actually give fair or consistent answers

0-60 ranges from 6.6 - 8.5.( PS. includes the whole RS range) exept V6

I do accept peoples choices, however there is "reality" and just say "YEH MY CAR IS QUICK" Its what we want afterall. Enjoy UR full on version 0r UR cut down one. WHO CARES??????????

just accept that there is no "real" difference between all the RS Clios.

Any IDIOT that says the CUP is a "special" "Track day car" "different map/gear box/"Group N derived" U people have bought into as much B***SH*T as the REPUBLICAN GUARD.

People on this site used to listen to experience & years of knowledge.

SHAME!!!!! NO MORE

What a waste, All anyone seems to do is argue with no clue as to reality. TOO MANY YOUNG FOOLS " NOT ENOUGH GRIP ON REALITY"

I WILL BT FLAMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bring it on. Only in that U childish individuals have no clue as to actually driving safely and quickly on roads. If U R under 30(well, maybe older, like me) with no real experience U "WILL NOT" have a clue . U will undoubtebly be able to get the power down quicker to BURN peoole off. Who knows your rediculous intentions "Ive burnt this N that"

YET!!!!!!!!!

No one knows. THIS Rhetoric means "SH*TE"

I have driven cars and never crashed, and I mean driving.

e.g. (TODAY) PUNTO GT T pulls away as we turn R into the junction. He sees me and goes. GOD does he go, If I had followed I would have been yet another young fool. I watch the road ahead. He went like a teenager and had to brake before the car ahead. "D!!K" So easy !!!Already watched & followed the road, While young fool was trying to beat me all I had to do was watch the space. Within 200 yds I was gone past him, and two others. So what I did not respond to an idiot youngster who thought "I can burn him"

10 years of advanced Police driving has told me DONT LET CHILDREN THINK THEY KNOW BETTER.

That may include U people who think they are the best drivers in the world on roads.

Tracks and drag stips are a way to make U feel good, but will kill U or UR car ( as we have all seen so much of) if U take this BSH!! on the public roads.

I know I will not be loved for this!!!!

However, I and a few other people here will.. Flame me if U will. Matters not.

I know, I should not preach, given what I have said,

I did not need to be in anyway dangerous to prove a point,. It is called being aware!!!!!!

Blaze


NO kis, Im talking about this crap!!!!!
 


again a slight intolerance for other peoples opinion then Teady? my point is not who is right or wrong, but a tolerance to listen to other people without outright sl*gging of that opinion.
 


mines bonnets aluminium tested with magnet i was one of the first to own one. Not stiring up more flames but steel is twice as heavy at least so 15-20kg is conservative to say the least unless my bonnet weighs 3kg lol
 
  S2000


Kis how can you say that crap is an informed opinion.

Example - "(sorry 3mm drop & track difference that is almost unnoticable, being it is almost entirely offset wheel allignment )"

Has he ever driven a Cup the difference in cornering ability and front end grip is marked, I was astounded the first time I was in a Cup!
 

coolspot007007

ClioSport Club Member
  Seat Leon Cupra


Quote: Originally posted by blaze on 09 April 2003


( U guys have to understand there is no difference other than a small weight saving (granted, small increase in performance).
I dont know much about Clio 2s but arent the cup engines tested before they go in, so they are producing at least what they should be? If this is correct then there will be a fair few 172s that dont live up to their name, that if stripped to the same weight as the cup still may have trouble keeping up. Just look at the Northern rolling road results in PGTI, 20ish bhp difference looks a bit like russian roulette performance wise.
 
  Nissan R35 GT-R


The bottom line is this:


Those who wanted all the goodies with their cars purchased 172s
Those who decided they could do without the goodies for a bit of extra speed (and yes I have driven both and the difference is very small but noticable) purchased Cups.
(or) Those who didnt have 16k but had 13k purchased Cups :D
It sounds to me like blaze has had a bad day at work and decided to vent anger towards just about everyone (Cup owners, those who break the speed limit, those who are younger than him, and those who have a faster car than him)?
 


Quote: Originally posted by blaze on 09 April 2003


10 years of advanced Police driving has told me DONT LET CHILDREN THINK THEY KNOW BETTER.
A very narrow minded patronising view, know better that what? You??



The only hope for a decent future is to make sure that your children know better than you, last thing you want is the same mistakes made generation after generation.



The only way is to provide areas where ‘young adults’ can safely learn the limits of their cars with some expert guidance. In that way you can make dam sure they know better than you. As a parent I take responsibility to ensure that my child is exposed to a vast array of knowledge, as it would be a failure on my part not to.
 


Quote: Originally posted by Frosty on 09 April 2003
It sounds to me like blaze has had a bad day at work and decided to vent anger towards just about



Dont talk b*llocks frosty coppers never do stuff like that, i mean who has heard of them givin you blokes in hothatches a hard time for no other reason than that they are there? talk about far fetched, ;)
 
  clio 20v


ok blaze im younger than you, occasionally break the speedlimit, and my car is probably faster than urs too,

plus im more than likely lots better looking and get lots more sex off lots better looking young women than u do

muwahahahahahahahahah ;)

adi
 


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