I need to understand this......

[Italian_Job]

It's about wheel alignment...
Granted that a small fraction of toe-in on front wheels is good thing to get the wheels roll parallel,
just wondering why toe-out is generally recommended on clio 172/182/Trophy.

cheers

 

[Gardus]

You can get the power down better.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Toe out tends to give a car a tendancy to be more lively, so if you like a car that turns in really sharply it often feels good with a small amount of toe in.
Conversely that same effect makes it feel less stable of course, so some people hate it.

I dont think there are any "this is the right answer" replies when it comes to geometry as different people have different prerfences on how they want a car setup.

 

[Italian_Job]

You can get the power down better.

good point actually.

Toe out tends to give a car a tendancy to be more lively, so if you like a car that turns in really sharply it often feels good with a small amount of toe in.
Conversely that same effect makes it feel less stable of course, so some people hate it.

I dont think there are any "this is the right answer" replies when it comes to geometry as different people have different prerfences on how they want a car setup.

I see what you re saying there, the car feels agile and turns sharply but it seems to wander a bit on the straighs and on uneven sections, not totally sure I like that.
I might get some toe-in this time and see how the car feels.

thanks for the replies guys.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Toe in can leave it very understeery, parellel is worth a try, IIRC thats what some of the models ran as standard. Its good for tyre wear too if you do a lot of motorway miles!

 

[Italian_Job]

understeery......well in that case I'll take your advice thanks again

 

[Bren Rogers]

Toe out on the front is needed as the inside wheel has to turn at a slightly more acute angle than the outside wheel.

 

[Italian_Job]

It looks like thats the way to go, I found out the Renault setting for 182 cup packed are 0 12' toe out (+-5')
Is toe out a negative or positive number?

 

[CageyJ0nnY]

I think toe out is positive (thanks forza =])

 

[Italian_Job]

I think toe out is positive (thanks forza =])

sorted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_%28automotive%29

"Positive toe, or toe in, is the front of the wheel pointing in towards the centreline of the vehicle.
Negative toe, or toe out, is the front of the wheel pointing away from the centreline of the vehicle."

 

[Gardus]

I run mine -2 mm (toe out) in front, 0 at the rear, and it was fine.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Toe out on the front is needed as the inside wheel has to turn at a slightly more acute angle than the outside wheel.

Thats not something you alter with toe settings mate! The ackerman angle of a clio will induce more angle on the inside wheel than the outside anyway, without needing you to set the car to toe out.

 

[Italian_Job]

I found this rummaging in the search engine, the toe setting for 182 is 0 12' toe out (+-5'), is that for the single wheel or the total toe figure?

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11817&d=1157577856

 

[Bren Rogers]

Thats not something you alter with toe settings mate! The ackerman angle of a clio will induce more angle on the inside wheel than the outside anyway, without needing you to set the car to toe out.

ahh.. my bad