Quote: Originally posted by DoddCup on 20 June 2004
Well if i do this i need to just have a re-map so the insurance company cant tell incase of a problem. I dont know much about re-mapping though and wonder if it will mess my engine up in the long run? Is it true that the insurance company cant tell of the re-map in the event of an accident? Thanx for responding mate as nobody else bothered. Ill probably have too have this chip mapping thing done which shud make my car go faster which will make me happy but when i then come to sell the car i can see me having to have another re-map when i take the induction kit off. This might get a bit messy. Thanks again for answering my questions.
You dont need to remap Id just personally do it along with other mods. With an induction kit there more air for the engine and assuming you dont have extra fuel then the engine burns lean. Running lean with just an airfilter+exhaust isnt bad enough to warent a remap though Im just over the top safety wise. Youd be fine without a remap, only if you start on cams and manifold work you need to worry to be honest.
Its not that no one else is bothered it just it comes up all the time and people get fed up repeating the same thing. I dont mind answring the questions though.
Regards insurance well tell them everything insurance companies always have been able to find remaps etc very easily and will void insurance after a crash if they find it. It takes about a few second to find remaps and investigators are checking up more now as cars can so easily be remapped and there so common. I can only offer my only offer my own opinions regards insurance what you do is up to you but Id tell insuracne companies about all mods. Companies may claim remaps are invisiable but there not no remap is invisiable.
Remaping can be done in a number of ways.
1- Add on, this is connected into the normal wiring and piggy backs the normal ecu these are about the most invisiable ones as they can be removed quite quickly from the engine bay but they do leave some indications of them being there. SMP6 is an example fo these which quite a few companies use in remapping cars. Andi at GDI does these remap for £500 as a Cliosport deal. It is custom made for you car and mods and is IMO many times better than any superchip of the shelf remap. Once you sell the car this can be removed and sold one for ~£60 as the enxt owner would have to pay to have it remapped for there car ie your remapping becomes worthless but the electronic box has some value.
2- New ECU. The "group N" RSport one is a good example. Its a whole new ECU and had the advantage of being able to be removed for warranty work. The mileage for the new Clios is stored in the dashboard so by replacing the ECU you wont loose all your mileage. The advantage of the
Rsport and other ones is minimal mainly down to smooth power delivery. A few problems with juddering problem have been noticed at low revs with the RSport one and this may be down to the race mapping. The Rsport one increases max revs to 8k on the engine. And is excellent value at £250 or something around that. but although its a new ECU once usedon a car it is programed only to work on that car so you cannot sell it on.
3- Soldering new chips. This is done by the company removing the chip on the ECU which holds the maps and soldering either another chip in its place or soldering an socket on there. This isnt used much in the 172 remapping due to the increase in the use of 1-
4- New remap. This is done via the OBD port and is the latest type of programming. Completion it is compelted by laptop programming the ecu via the diagnostics port (the one under the ash tray) it leaves no external trace ie no marks to see obviously but as I said earlier insurance people can tell.
http://www.superchips.co.ukWww.superchips.co.uk sell this type of remap and Cliosport members get a discount there as long as you go to the main factory down south somewhere. The disadvantages of this are that
you arnt able to sell the mod on as its totally electronic the next owner is the only possible buyer. Companies such as Superchip give you the old mapping on a credit card sized chip so when you come to sell the car the car can be returned to any dealer and the old mapping reinstalled.
Gains from remapping arnt huge though its not a turbo charged engine so 12hp is about the absolute best a 172 with filter and SMP6 remap would get about 175hp (the 172 makes 166.5hp stock)
Hope that makes sence Im a little tired at the moment so not quite with it.
Thanks Dodd
