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is it just me?
- Thread starter TrannyB
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why thank you! sanity!!!
I agree the problem is people on here don't want to belive in progress. They thing theres is the best.
You've not driven a 197 so how can you comment?I think renault started to loose it after the ph-quick
purely becuase the ph1 is rough, nasty, brutal and a bit of an animal.
Then the cliosport started becomng more refined and civilized... more toys, more weight. Tweak after tweak. Im not slating the ph2's theyre still awesome cars but they lost that "rraaaahhhhhh" feeling you get from a ph1.
As for the phase1 being the best WIlliams is IMO a much more fun car much rawer etc.
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some people on here just open they're mouth and let the s**t flow out of it
everyone is entitled to there own opinion mate no need to take offence because you have one
Trust me - I don't take offence to comments by people who I don't know and who don't know me. What I do think though, is that a lot of 197 bashers should actually think about what they're saying before they actually type it because I want to come on here and read the posts made by people who actually know what they're talking about and not by those who think they know
ph1 172 Black
I don't like the front end but seen the back of one the other day and it is nice.
Mind used to like Willys and Valvers and they look so old now. I have a Ph1 and I thought it looked better than ph2 but my mind is changing.
End of day they are supposed to be mint at handling. Just hope they make one with the weight reduced as ph1 and willys owned heavy cars.
Mind used to like Willys and Valvers and they look so old now. I have a Ph1 and I thought it looked better than ph2 but my mind is changing.
End of day they are supposed to be mint at handling. Just hope they make one with the weight reduced as ph1 and willys owned heavy cars.
I quite like the 197 but NOT enough to buy one
They are just to high and only 156bhp per tonne, not enough for me
They are the new 182 though, give it a few years and there will be 1,000's around and most people will like them then, just go over to the renaultsport forums, its like CLIO-197.com over there now...lol
my next buy wont be a renault, as they don't make a car I'd like to own these days, which is a shame
Simon
They are just to high and only 156bhp per tonne, not enough for me
They are the new 182 though, give it a few years and there will be 1,000's around and most people will like them then, just go over to the renaultsport forums, its like CLIO-197.com over there now...lol
my next buy wont be a renault, as they don't make a car I'd like to own these days, which is a shame
Simon
On the other hand this forums full of 172/182 owners trying to convince themselves that all else is usless and there cheap cars are the quickest and best wghilst trying to servicing them or not as cheap as possible as they cannot afford to run it properly.
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I just dont see the point, if it was the same size/weight as the ph2 with 197bhp then yeah PHAT!!!!
But instead they just made it bigger.... WHY!
Everything in its just repackaged ph2 stuff anyway...
I think the twingo looks about the same size as a ph2
My new shape hire clio is the same width as an old shape megan!
Cars just keep getting bigger and heavier :S
But instead they just made it bigger.... WHY!
Everything in its just repackaged ph2 stuff anyway...
I think the twingo looks about the same size as a ph2
My new shape hire clio is the same width as an old shape megan!
Cars just keep getting bigger and heavier :S
Ye sorry didn't mean it like that realy it was just to get the point accross.
Cars just naturally get bigger the Golfs the ultimate incarenation the Lupo's the same Hp and weight as the original GTI.
Its not repackaged you'd trouble to find any 172/182 parts engine is a developed (completly different engine code) F4R one gearbox is wholy new. Looms are all completly different body shell is new as you'd expect etc. Even the brakes are complety different in almost all respects.
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
I don't like the 197 at all. No interest in swapping the 182 for one in the slightest. It might be a great car, but if that 'pang' of desirability isn't there when you see one on the road, then there's no point aiming for one, imo.
The only other current Renault car that makes my jaw drop is the Meggy R26. But my eyes are most definitely aimed at Evo material next....
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The only other current Renault car that makes my jaw drop is the Meggy R26. But my eyes are most definitely aimed at Evo material next....
D.
cup 182 mit stripes
Funily enough Darren, I was test driving an Evo 8 gsr? [cant remember exactly, the import with 300bhp] lovely looking motor [heavy clutch] to be honest I was'nt blown away by the performance cos I have a Yam R1 which makes you have a truer idea of 4 wheel performance.
When we got back from test drive I saw a racing blue 182 parked by the office. ''It's not for sale, its the boss's secretary's motor, a girl's car'' said the salesman Needless to say I did'nt get the Evo,2 months later I had my racing blue cup and we have been happy together ever since.
When we got back from test drive I saw a racing blue 182 parked by the office. ''It's not for sale, its the boss's secretary's motor, a girl's car'' said the salesman Needless to say I did'nt get the Evo,2 months later I had my racing blue cup and we have been happy together ever since.
Monblue bombay badboy!
some people on here just open they're mouth and let the s**t flow out of it
everyone is entitled to there own opinion mate no need to take offence because you have one
Trust me - I don't take offence to comments by people who I don't know and who don't know me. What I do think though, is that a lot of 197 bashers should actually think about what they're saying before they actually type it because I want to come on here and read the posts made by people who actually know what they're talking about and not by those who think they know
i have driven a 197 and it is not slow, and it handles really well but to me it doesz not look like a clio and it is not an improvement on the 182
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Going on those pics, and a great example by the way, the shape has moved with the times.. its a modern day looking car. The modern day clio to put it another way!
The shape is growing on me big time and to see the 197 in the flesh, they are a wee beast IMO
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
Good quote! I guess I really need to test drive one first, before I get my hopes up too much. It's just when I see one (especially a 6 in Scotia White :approve: ) I just think they look awesome.
D.
Williams 1
i think they look a million times better than the 1*2's without that gay bubble in the back, but still nothin compared to the sexyness of the mk1 clio
Clio 172 mk2
Totally...the 197 is a lovely looking car up close
