J&R Driveshafts and Quaife

[masekwm]

Has anyone experienced the same issue as the one experienced with a Gripper & Ph2 shafts with the cheap J&R shafts and a Quaife?

 

[bloke]

What issue?

 

[imprezaworks]

You know, that issue.

 

[masekwm]

What issue?

https://www.cliosport.net/threads/gripper-and-lhs-drive-shaft.379771/
The ph2 driveshaft was too long, by 10mm, meaning that you'd have to use a ph1 shaft.

Did a trackday and my passenger could feel the driveshaft bottoming out in the diff, however, I can't find anything in relation to the Quaife on search so wondered if it was just my cheap shaft

 

[NorthloopCup]

Deeper cup on the Quaife

 

[masekwm]

Deeper cup on the Quaife

Wonder if I've got a dodgy shaft, @GrahamS was in the passenger seat and said he could feel it through the floor as he could when @Martin. had the issue with his gripper.

 

[NorthloopCup]

Wonder if I've got a dodgy shaft, @GrahamS was in the passenger seat and said he could feel it through the floor as he could when @Martin. had the issue with his gripper.

Move the engine over and check wishbone bushes. Failing that you need a standard shaft from a 172 to compare the length with.

 

[GrahamS]

It had that same vibration as Marts did with the gripper and a standard shaft, on sharp right turns it was knock knock knocking

 

[STEVE.M]

It had that same vibration as Marts did with the gripper and a standard shaft, on sharp right turns it was knock knock knocking

Engine moving on it`s mounts causing the shaft to bind?

Also lots of negative camber will pre load the shaft.

 

[GrahamS]

I would drop the fluid and check the diff cup.

 

[1985michael182]

Are the JnR shafts the 1st choice after genuine ones?

 

[VenomUK]

Are the JnR shafts the 1st choice after genuine ones?

I’m interested to know. I’ve got a slit boot so toying with just doing the boot or new shafts considering I don’t know the history of the car...

 

[R29TJR]

IIRC I'm running Phase 1 shaft on my gear box running a gripper diff. I don't remember the issue but I'm sure it @AlexW said that was my setup.

 

[Eddie555]

I happen to know the exact solution and the differences. Picture top to bottom

1. Euro car parts GKN shaft 640cm
2. A standard oe 172cup shaft is 653cm
3. A J&R shaft is 660cm.

I had the problem of the Gripper diff knocking inside the diff cup. Problem solved by fitting the GKN shaft.

 

[R29TJR]

Excuse my ignorance, so the OEM driveshaft is too long therefore the issue is?

 

[Eddie555]

Excuse my ignorance, so the OEM driveshaft is too long therefore the issue is?

Yea when you fit the Gripper and you lower the car, what tends to happen is the standard shaft at 653mm the tripod hits inside the diff cup. At standard ride height it will not be an issue. My car measures 315mm from wheel centre to arch now. When I was having issues at that height I had to raise it upto 350cm before the knocking went away. I approached Gripper about this problem and they offered a solution of cutting my shaft and reducing the length by 20mm. It was only that i stumbled across Euro carparts website that they listed the shaft at 640mm that I chose to buy a shaft instead of having it cut and rewelded.

 

[Eddie555]

I can’t edit the post with the pictures but just in case. I mean “mm” not “cm”. Lol

 

[VenomUK]

I can’t edit the post with the pictures but just in case. I mean “mm” not “cm”. Lol

Out of all of them the ECP shaft looks better quality of all of them ?

 

[1985michael182]

What about 182 shafts with cup pack though? Are they different ?

 

[1985michael182]

@NorthloopCup ?

 

[NorthloopCup]

What about 182 shafts with cup pack though? Are they different ?

I’m pretty sure they’re all the same in ph2, with the exception of the cup o/s driveshaft, as it doesn’t have the bearing that attaches to the back of the block. Abs rings may be different on the 60mm spacing hub setup though, so more teeth. Certainly rings a bell, but can’t say with confidence.

 

[1985michael182]

My OS shaft has the centre bearing. Hoping my NS doesnt nock the diff now

 

[Daz...]

As @NorthloopCup said, the only difference on 182 cup packs are the ABS rings.

I checked, double checked, and then rechecked it all again before ordering a shaft for mine ?

 

[NorthloopCup]

My OS shaft has the centre bearing. Hoping my NS doesnt nock the diff now

You’re running the roll centre kit, so have an additional 5mm of clearance.

 

[1985michael182]

My OS shaft has the centre bearing. Hoping my NS doesnt nock the diff now

 

[1985michael182]

Ahh s**t yea I forgot about that Haha

 

[NorthloopCup]

As @NorthloopCup said, the only difference on 182 cup packs are the ABS rings.

I checked, double checked, and then rechecked it all again before ordering a shaft for mine ?

It’s not easy storing all this s**t in my tired old brain you know! Lol

 

[1985michael182]

As @NorthloopCup said, the only difference on 182 cup packs are the ABS rings.

I checked, double checked, and then rechecked it all again before ordering a shaft for mine ?

And which shaft did you buy ?

 

[1985michael182]

It’s not easy storing all this s**t in my tired old brain you know! Lol

Just old

 

[Eddie555]

What about 182 shafts with cup pack though? Are they different ?

It seems the definitive answer is to physically measure the shaft. There is no actual specific shaft as Mark and I discovered that all manner of shaft from phase 1 to phase 2 measured similar. When I spoke to Gripper they said maybe 1 in a 100 cars have a problem, and also depending what time of the day/month/year whether it be Franco or Pierre or jean Claude Van dam that built the car, it could have any manner of f**ked up length shaft put on from the factory. And not forgetting that our cars are now 14/15 years old and could have had a replacement in its life so who knows exactly what shaft it’s been replaced by. Long and short of it is, if you have a problem then the fix is Euro Carparts 640mm shaft. Ps, the bonus part is the GKN shaft is hollow and lighter than the Solid steel J&R has one.

 

[Daz...]

And which shaft did you buy ?

After a lot of head scratching I went with one from Ktec, they’re the only place I’m aware of that sells the genuine ones. They must use whoever used to supply them to Renault.

 

[Eddie555]

After a lot of head scratching I went with one from Ktec, they’re the only place I’m aware of that sells the genuine ones. They must use whoever used to supply them to Renault.

I actually spoke to K-tec when I was trying to sort my issue out. They had never come across the knocking problem and wasn’t able to help me whatsoever.

 

[1985michael182]

It seems the definitive answer is to physically measure the shaft. There is no actual specific shaft as Mark and I discovered that all manner of shaft from phase 1 to phase 2 measured similar. When I spoke to Gripper they said maybe 1 in a 100 cars have a problem, and also depending what time of the day/month/year whether it be Franco or Pierre or jean Claude Van dam that built the car, it could have any manner of f**ked up length shaft put on from the factory. And not forgetting that our cars are now 14/15 years old and could have had a replacement in its life so who knows exactly what shaft it’s been replaced by. Long and short of it is, if you have a problem then the fix is Euro Carparts 640mm shaft. Ps, the bonus part is the GKN shaft is hollow and lighter than the Solid steel J&R has one.

Strength wise how do they fair up? Any problems?

 

[Eddie555]

Strength wise how do they fair up? Any problems?

Absolutely fine. My car is a track toy only. Since fitted it’s probably done 500+ hard track miles. 224 of them was round the Nurburgring. ?

 

[1985michael182]

Euros GKN is the part of choice then.