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Ken Block is fcukin insane...



  Range Rover Sport
Care to explain? With actual physics.

1) Its angle vs speed.
2) From memory the E9 IX has 40/60 split with a clever torque control.
3) Yes you're nearly right but an open diff isn't essential. Again this is dependant on what 4/AWD system.

Edit: You can have 1200bhp if you have 0 talent you're simply not going to be able to have a CONTROL drift.
 

Adamm.

ClioSport Club Member
Not to mention the rest of his posts being utter tosh, someones been playing too much rally games lol.
 

McGherkin

Macca fan boiiiii
ClioSport Club Member
1. No. Read point 1 again. If you don't have the front wheels spinning you won't be able to vector force left and right with the front wheels, similar to a bow thruster on a ship. If you don't have the rear wheels spinning you'll understeer.
2. That's exactly what I just said. 40% to the front, 60% to the rear. Hello understeer.
3. I meant he had an open diff, and that's why it wouldn't work. With open diffs you will loose the most power through the wheel with the least grip i.e. the front inside wheel. You could control it by braking that wheel, but it's a sap on power then.
 
  Impreza RB5 #054
Several reasons really.

1. You do not have enough power. For a AWD car to drift well, it needs enough torque to spin all 4 wheels. So you need lots of torque from the engine, short gear ratios, or a low friction surface.
2. Most AWD cars have a fairly central torque split. Most cars are around 40-50% of power to the front wheels, which causes a lot of understeer. KB's fiesta probably has a 20-30% distribution.
3. Open diffs. You need locked diffs/LSD's or you're just going to piss all the power out through the front wheels. Which also causes understeer.


I'm not saying KB has no talent, he can be pretty good, he's had a few strong finishes when he's not crashed or broken down, but he's even more inconsistent than Yari Matti Latvala used to be, and way more inconsistent than McRae.

And RE drifting a AWD car set up like that being easy, well yes it is. Definitely easier than drifting a RWD car because if you over-angle it you just give it full lock and drop a gear and it WILL come back to you. It is nothing like driving a normal AWD car so you can't relate to it if you've just driven a scooby, chucked it in and booted it, then wondered why you understeered off the road, which is what I imagine Bonxy was thinking.

Have you personally ever drifted/donut a awd car?
 

McGherkin

Macca fan boiiiii
ClioSport Club Member
Have you personally ever drifted/donut a awd car?

Are you saying that a normal AWD car is setup the same as the car in the video, despite me explaining the several reasons why it's not?

And yes, I have driven an AWD car.

And because people like coleman are posting without reading, I am out again. Midnight's not far off the truth though.
 
  Range Rover Sport
1. No. Read point 1 again. If you don't have the front wheels spinning you won't be able to vector force left and right with the front wheels, similar to a bow thruster on a ship. If you don't have the rear wheels spinning you'll understeer.
2. That's exactly what I just said. 40% to the front, 60% to the rear. Hello understeer.
3. I meant he had an open diff, and that's why it wouldn't work. With open diffs you will loose the most power through the wheel with the least grip i.e. the front inside wheel. You could control it by braking that wheel, but it's a sap on power then.

100% computer skill 0% real world experience.

40/60 split will not give you under steer... Ask a grown up you know who may own a IX HKS and tell me that understeers...

I'm not getting into a debate as it seems you have 0 real world knowledge!

A controlled drift IS speed vs angle regardless of power. Most cars roll off the line performance vs economy however most can over come most with talent. Ken Block has talent at what he does.
 

AdDaMan

ClioSport Club Member
And RE drifting a AWD car set up like that being easy, well yes it is. Definitely easier than drifting a RWD car because if you over-angle it you just give it full lock and drop a gear and it WILL come back to you. It is nothing like driving a normal AWD car so you can't relate to it if you've just driven a scooby, chucked it in and booted it, then wondered why you understeered off the road, which is what I imagine Bonxy was thinking.

Have to agree. Alot more forgiving than RWD on big angles and entries.
 
  172 Cup
He's very good, but not as good as America seems to think he is.

I dare say the average person with the amount of money, resources, contacts and time Ken Block has had to get 'good' would put on a similar show!
 

imprezaworks

ClioSport Club Member
  Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Is it just me and I know the road is closed, allways half expect a Doris in her micra to pull out from a side road or something. I guess that's what seperates us mere mortals to these lunatics lol.
 
  182cup & 172 racecar
[h=1]Ari Vatanen, really nice guy as well, met him a few times on Rally's , and when he used to be at Prodrive.[/h]
 
  Hondata'd EP3 Type R
He clearly has some amazing car control skills. His videos are entertaining, but do benefit from the big budget set ups, and Im sure there are people (Loeb) who could do far better with the budget he has.

However, he is amazing to watch! As said, bringing motorsport to the masses, and its very entertaining :)
 

adamlstr

ClioSport Club Member
I lol'd a lot in this thread, mostly at the playstation warriors HARD at work.

Ken Block has some skills, and a killer eye for marketing (unless he's just a puppet).
 

Sam

North East
ClioSport Area Rep
Are you saying that a normal AWD car is setup the same as the car in the video, despite me explaining the several reasons why it's not?

And yes, I have driven an AWD car.

And because people like coleman are posting without reading, I am out again. Midnight's not far off the truth though.

Videos or it didnt happen..
 
  172 Cup
Loeb was so quick he even has time for donuts mid way through the stage ;)

 
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  Hondata'd EP3 Type R
I suppose this is the place to ask this.

Ive always wondered what this "car" was. Obviously its a Fiesta with a Duratec, but is it?

Is it a heavily modified Fiesta, or is it in fact a space frame, with a Ford Lump and a Fibreglass/Carbon Shell that resembles a Fiesta? Sometimes the lights look like Stickers?
 
In a Shogun or similar?

Nah, in his Suzuki Jimmy, its a real hit with the ladies.

Doughnuts and jumps everywhere, I think he even did a backflip in it!

1998_Suzuki_Jimny_01.jpg
 

Sam

North East
ClioSport Area Rep
I suppose this is the place to ask this.

Ive always wondered what this "car" was. Obviously its a Fiesta with a Duratec, but is it?

Is it a heavily modified Fiesta, or is it in fact a space frame, with a Ford Lump and a Fibreglass/Carbon Shell that resembles a Fiesta? Sometimes the lights look like Stickers?

I remember reading it was something like this...

KenBlockCopy2.jpg
 
  S3 Sportback, Ninja
McGherkin have you considered getting in touch with Ken Block with a view to giving him some pointers?

Perhaps you could demonstrate your superior knowledge in the car in your avatar.
 

McGherkin

Macca fan boiiiii
ClioSport Club Member
McGherkin have you considered getting in touch with Ken Block with a view to giving him some pointers?

Perhaps you could demonstrate your superior knowledge in the car in your avatar.

Where did I say that I was a better driver than him? In actual fact I have already said that at times he can be a good driver, but inconsistent. I didn't realise that we had to be superior to literally everyone to even pass comment on them. In that case we'd better close down football chat, because clearly nobody in there has a right to an opinion either.

Perhaps you'd like to adjust the DCCD on your M3? Again, we'll have to close down CS, because nobody can pass comment on the new ferrari until they've owned one and won a world championship with it.
 


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