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IIRC stevieh got 207 with the low comp turbo on RS Tunings rollers.
I'd say an otherwise standard car on ITBs would make around 200.
Prices are similar but you could potentially upgrade the turbo conversion more easily than an ITB'd car.
Why no mention of a super charger?
I'd say an otherwise standard car on ITBs would make around 200.
Prices are similar but you could potentially upgrade the turbo conversion more easily than an ITB'd car.
Why no mention of a super charger?
Daz.
ClioSport Club Member
Clio 200 RS EDC
Because its a severe price hike to supercharging and not the kind of price I can afford right now nor wish to spend on the car, I'd also be keeping the car as is so aircon stays..
So off the top of my head for the same results pretty much itbs are the cheaper way to go?
So off the top of my head for the same results pretty much itbs are the cheaper way to go?
Mate its a tough call, but I would go for the Turbo over ITBs.
Yes they are similarly priced but I think the characteristics of a torquey turbo'd car are much more enjoyable than a screamer on ITB's.
My power figures from RStuning (where Paul told me that stock 1*2 make about 155-160) were 206bhp and 183 lb/ft so it's at least a 40bhp gain and maybe a little more as Seans from ktec made 212 bhp the only differences were mine had 30k on the clock Seans near 100k.
Theres is a thread about Bex's clio from GDI who's had a ITB kit fitted to her car and it made 204bhp with a 160lb/ft. Obviously there will be discrepencies between RStuning/GDI's rolling roads but I'm pretty confident that the the turbo conversion will definatley produce more torque.
Obviously the best advice is to have a go of both cars and see which one you prefer.
Steve
Yes they are similarly priced but I think the characteristics of a torquey turbo'd car are much more enjoyable than a screamer on ITB's.
My power figures from RStuning (where Paul told me that stock 1*2 make about 155-160) were 206bhp and 183 lb/ft so it's at least a 40bhp gain and maybe a little more as Seans from ktec made 212 bhp the only differences were mine had 30k on the clock Seans near 100k.
Theres is a thread about Bex's clio from GDI who's had a ITB kit fitted to her car and it made 204bhp with a 160lb/ft. Obviously there will be discrepencies between RStuning/GDI's rolling roads but I'm pretty confident that the the turbo conversion will definatley produce more torque.
Obviously the best advice is to have a go of both cars and see which one you prefer.
Steve
Barron
ClioSport Club Member
Turbo S,Exige,R5,182
i would go for ITB.
Obv im going to say that as ive got ITB's lol
If you are looking for pub bragging rights i would go for turbo, you will get bigger numbers.
If you want a drivers car with instant throttle response and the noise which you will not appreciate until you drive/passenger in a ITB car, its awesome
go for itb
From what ive heard from people from FCS they seemed very unimpressed with the low comp turbo convo.
But yeah try both and see which you prefer
carl
Obv im going to say that as ive got ITB's lol
If you are looking for pub bragging rights i would go for turbo, you will get bigger numbers.
If you want a drivers car with instant throttle response and the noise which you will not appreciate until you drive/passenger in a ITB car, its awesome
go for itbFrom what ive heard from people from FCS they seemed very unimpressed with the low comp turbo convo.
But yeah try both and see which you prefer
carl
Focus RS Mk1
the main point is that with the turbo you can upgrade to more power quite easily and for not too much more cost (without internal rebuild)
with itb's, to get the kind of power you could with a turbo, lets say 250bhp, your gonna have to spend a lot more, you will certainly need high comp forgies
but some people just prefer the sound of itbs, the useability, the fuel economy, insurance etc etc! less strain on the gearbox through linearity of the power delivery!
Personally id go ITB's every time, espcailyl over a low boost turbo conversion that will show only slightly more power than a basic itb conversion. For example my car with ITB's, and an exhaust, with decat makes 200bhp
with itb's, to get the kind of power you could with a turbo, lets say 250bhp, your gonna have to spend a lot more, you will certainly need high comp forgies
but some people just prefer the sound of itbs, the useability, the fuel economy, insurance etc etc! less strain on the gearbox through linearity of the power delivery!
Personally id go ITB's every time, espcailyl over a low boost turbo conversion that will show only slightly more power than a basic itb conversion. For example my car with ITB's, and an exhaust, with decat makes 200bhp
B/G 182 + PH1 Track
Not really much in it considering out Ph-1 172 made 202 at RS tuning.
ITB's sound awesome though.
/Adrian
Not really much in it considering out Ph-1 172 made 202 at RS tuning.
ITB's sound awesome though.
/Adrian
Heres the graph from mine
You can see that theres quite a bit more torque between 3000 rpm to 6500rpm
for the turbo.
Whilst peak power is similar if we look at
3500 rpm 92bhp vs 102 bhp
4500 rpm 133bhp vs 142bhp
5500rpm 170bhp vs 188bhp
6500rpm 194bhp vs 205.9bhp (peak power)
I appreciate that the ITB's continue to rev for a further 1000rpm but the rev limit has been lowered on mine.
Don't think I'm anti ITBs as I was really close to buying them my self before this turbo conversion came out.
Steve
Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
Itb's are what I'd go for tbh
B/G 182 + PH1 Track
Yeh but they are 420s, which are a group N part, and are a standard profile.
But yours started as a 182
(No idea why the previous owner put them in)
We have something else planned for it sometime though :evil:
Its all personal preference, by looking at the graphs, you can see the turbo offers easy driveability and produces good power, but has a mid range surge as it were, where as the bodies look to produce its power smoother.
Im not putting either down, as iv driven plenty of itb'd cars as well as Sauns low boost, its jus what each person prefere's, as said there isn't 'a best' as everyone wants different things from a car
Im not putting either down, as iv driven plenty of itb'd cars as well as Sauns low boost, its jus what each person prefere's, as said there isn't 'a best' as everyone wants different things from a car
It is mate thats why any thread/PM thats directed towards me ref turbos I always advise them to try different conversions before they part with 3K +.
It's common sense really isn't it?
The reason I'm not overly fussed on ITB's is the further tuning potential, ie cams, high comp etc is mega expensive and only pushes the power band further up the rev range and has a realistic limit of about 230bhp.
Besides if I want to hear something screaming it's head off I'll get my bike out as there nothing beats a supersports 600 at 14000rpm!
Steve
It's common sense really isn't it?
The reason I'm not overly fussed on ITB's is the further tuning potential, ie cams, high comp etc is mega expensive and only pushes the power band further up the rev range and has a realistic limit of about 230bhp.
Besides if I want to hear something screaming it's head off I'll get my bike out as there nothing beats a supersports 600 at 14000rpm!
Steve
K-Tec Racing
ClioSport Trader
172LBT-172HBT-197-R2
Obviously we sell both kits, the first LP Turbo kits will start rolling out the door in the next week or so, people who have declared interest will be contacted of course, so perhaps it's a little too early for people to summarise opinions based on the number of conversions out there.
Both Steve's and my car are a very different drive to ITB'd cars, and on track I would have to agree N/A Cars do have an edge on driveability, but on the road it's a different story.
The soundtrack on the ITB's of course is alluring, but you have to live with it every step of the way and fuel costs to boot. Something worth considering before parting with your money in either case.
You can drive the LPT in a lazy everyday drive way without alerting other drivers to your presence, drive the car off boost to save fuel and pull past most similar spec vehicles using bottom end of the rev range, exit roundabouts in third flat, using the attributes of the turbo power delivery to its full potential. Over taking without the downshift and of course a completely OE look and sound at idle.
I am a fan of both set ups and also having driven the Supercharged GDi Demo in it's infancy that too has it's unique driving feel and of course the price. What ever you go for, it's important to have a choice and in this respect both kits are worth a test drive on the road, as this is where you will spend 95% of your time.
Sean.
Both Steve's and my car are a very different drive to ITB'd cars, and on track I would have to agree N/A Cars do have an edge on driveability, but on the road it's a different story.
The soundtrack on the ITB's of course is alluring, but you have to live with it every step of the way and fuel costs to boot. Something worth considering before parting with your money in either case.
You can drive the LPT in a lazy everyday drive way without alerting other drivers to your presence, drive the car off boost to save fuel and pull past most similar spec vehicles using bottom end of the rev range, exit roundabouts in third flat, using the attributes of the turbo power delivery to its full potential. Over taking without the downshift and of course a completely OE look and sound at idle.
I am a fan of both set ups and also having driven the Supercharged GDi Demo in it's infancy that too has it's unique driving feel and of course the price. What ever you go for, it's important to have a choice and in this respect both kits are worth a test drive on the road, as this is where you will spend 95% of your time.
Sean.
182
Steve how does the chassis cope with putting so much extra torque down? Is it genuinely useable (torquesteer? traction) or does the full benefit only happen in 3rd gear?
ValverInBits
do you mean low compression turbo or low boost turbo?
A low compression forged turbo setup is going to cost a LOT, and see figures as high as you want basically.
A low pressure turbo kit would be cheaper and give more torque than the ITBs.
As everyone is saying, it's got to be a personal preference thing.
A low compression forged turbo setup is going to cost a LOT, and see figures as high as you want basically.
A low pressure turbo kit would be cheaper and give more torque than the ITBs.
As everyone is saying, it's got to be a personal preference thing.
Its really useable mate, you can still put your foot to the floor in first at say 1500rpm and it just surges forward no wheel spin, it does feel quite brutal though and not something I'd recommend if you want your box to last, but this will be the same as any form of tuning at 200bhp+
Steve
