Viceroy
Glad to see you have done so much development work... its good fun working round these little problems.... its what makes the tuning game interesting... And also a little frustrating at times
Your lucky that you can pop down to PP for help, we have to make £100s worth of calls to get the same....
We did indeed have some good results with an SMT on a clio... is anyone disputing that.... if you want to talk to the customer please do....I have never disputed the fact that you have gotten good results, in fact it was because of your success that I eventually got my arse in gear and got down to the tuners to get the SMT6 installed
We did not use injector modding for the clio as PP did not feel it was needed for that install..... (I have also never said that I did use injector modding - to you, anyone hear or infact PP) Makes sense now...in every communication we had you mentioned that you did fueling, but you also mentioned that you needed the ignition amplifier, so I guess I assumed that you had also connected into the ignition system...my mistake and again I apologise
The fueling was were the gains were made... AFR readings were all within 13-14.x and the amount of fuel in the mid range that was increased was quite a lot... hense a much smoother drive mid range.... it was very noticable.....
PP also never gave me a MAP!!!!! the map is created on the rollers... we start with a flat fuel map and then set each of the 120 or so fuel point to the correct AFR to get the correct fueling....sorry, this was my mistake, by map I mean wiring map (pinouts). I am going on what info I recieved from PP with regard to their communications with you, and also got confused when they told us that you had told them the pinouts were not right, yet they had also published an article where you stated the success you had with your customers 172...
We have had lots of discussions with PP about different ways of controlling the fuel etc etc etc etc etc etc etc... there is not only one way to do it.... so it would seem...
I dont really understand why you feel the need to attack me, or question me... there have been several occasions where you have felt the need to try and discredit me on the boards wheather it be by price or otherwise... I am simply trying to give my customers a good service and those that have had work have been happy... I do not claim things that we have not done.... I also spend a great deal of time looking after my customers to make sure they are happy and that they get what they want.... Attack you? I have never felt that I have attacked you, I have simply been trying to get as much info from you with regard to your install, because as far as Im aware yours is the only successful SMT6/172 install in the UK, possibly the world. I know of one other attempt in Greenland where they gave up because of similar problems to me because of trying to wire into the ignition system. With regard to the pricing of chips, I figured I could maybe get the chips here cheaper as they are made here...not to attack you in anyway, but simply to give the Cliosport guys a chance of maybe getting the chips cheaper, and yet still going to you for the tuning (which you stated yourself was the long and tedious...as well as pricy portion)
I dont always have the answers to all the questions but then who does... not even PP know all the answers.. they had never seen or done an install on a 172 before, so they told me anyhow...It was because of your success with the 172 install, that I have been bugging you so much for any piece of info I could get...I really never meant to come across as if I was attacking you...In fact I would say that I am a huge supporter of you for your forwarding the development of 172 tuning (which is in serious short demand around the world)
I wish you luck with the install, and hope this can be the end of this discussion... I do not do arguing on cliosport... I dont go on some other forums now due to people arguing.... its a well mannered forum here and everyone helps everyone else.... thats the way it should be.
Thanks very much...Again I must say that I never meant to attack you, I was simply overanxious in getting as much information from you with regards to the install you did. I actually feel rather bad now because of this all, but also relieved that we have finally gotten some clarity about exactly what you did in your install.
Im taking the car in on monday to get the final fuel tuning done, as at the moment Im running with a blank MAP (got the terminology right now
...I hope)
Andy
[Edited by viceroy on 08 May 2004 at 12:01pm]
