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A standad RS will leave you standing.
A bluefin RS will make you look like a small child whos dropped his icecream
Guys - has anyone else seen the Evo test where they got the Mini Cooper S, Focus RS, Impreza WRX and Cup together?
Im not saying an RS isnt quicker, but looking at the performance figures they got there I think some of the talk about not seeing which way an RS went is a bit off.
My old Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo used to mince Focus RSs - but I was always on my guard when I saw a 172 (check my old posts out), even though the Coup was capable of 0-100 in 14 secs as standard.
Theres a lot more to a quick car than stats! Over on FCCUK.org theres a lot of respect for the hot Clios...and a LOT less for the Focus RS!
They figures take into account the 0-60 times. The RS clios have good 0-60 times so the difference is hardly noticable.
Take 0-60 out of the equation and let the cars roll from 60-160.
The clio will not see which way a chipped RS went. Its as simple as that!!!!
Clio sports have very little after 100, a FRS has shed loads of turbo torque to pull it along.
Ben, in his original post he does mention the bluefin upgrade, and i get your point about the high speed stuff as not a lot of people will risk it in this country so your right, below 100/110 the RS will not be embarrassing a cliosport.
Does anyone know how much bhp/torque improvement there is with this bluefin chip??
Id suspect you being quicker than an RS on the strip but once moving i reckon youd get shafted neil.
However an RS is capable of a 14.9 0-100 (evo) with a good driver and thats with a fully laden car so strip the RS and put a good driver in and youd be in the rear view mirror all the way up the strip.
Quote: Originally posted by Mitchy on 13 February 2005
Id suspect you being quicker than an RS on the strip but once moving i reckon youd get shafted neil.
<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">However an RS is capable of a 14.9 0-100 (evo) with a good driver and thats with a fully laden car so strip the RS and put a good driver in and youd be in the rear view mirror all the way up the strip.
Why do you think it dies so badly over 100? I can stay within 1 car length of my pals 13.6 1/4 mile Cavy turbo all the way to 120!! Pulling on him 30-90.
Id agree with the sensation of reduced speed in 5th.
Driving my 172 for the first time at 80+ leptons on the motorway, I was surprised to have to be reaching for 4th to get the full accelerative shove. Not sure whether thats due to the ratio and revs its turning over at those sorts of speeds though - and the fact that you didnt need to drop a gear in my old Coup 20VT.
I dont think many hot Clio owners will be too distressed at this though - wed have bought cars like the RS or Fiat 20VT if we needed illegal-speed motorway prowess!
Nippy white cup
5th at 110? Why would you short shift?
Chris
My 4th runs out at around 110. 5th to around 135, 6th to off the clock
Anyway back onto topic, if you stay within the speed limits, even a bluefin RS will not show you up. If upto a hundred then it will pull a few car lengths, if anything further then youll probably be a spot in his rear view mirror.
My old ibiza cupra would pretty mutch mince a standard Leon cupra R up the strip, and my 172 is not far off the ibiza in all hounesty,
I used to be able to sit with a friends FRS to a point in the ibiza! i owuldnt think there would be a huge gap in standard form but chipped FRS is going to be a fair diffrence!
Sorry mate, i used a valver as an example as it is the slowest out of the hothatch clio range, not because i think its a slow car, as indeed it is not.
PJ, there are standard LCRs running pod in 14.6 so cant really see you mincing them mate. Just go over to seatcupra.net and have a look if you dont believe me.
Quote: Originally posted by Mitchy on 13 February 2005
Sorry mate, i used a valver as an example as it is the slowest out of the hothatch clio range, not because i think its a slow car, as indeed it is not.<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">PJ, there are standard LCRs running pod in 14.6 so cant really see you mincing them mate. Just go over to seatcupra.net and have a look if you dont believe me.
Chipped ones dont seem to run much better than 14.6?
Yeah your right and thats down to too much wheelspin in the 1st 2 gears. it fecks everything up, the same as what a bluefin FRS will.
The same as that mental clio TT 270 thats being talked about aswell. that wont run any quicker than 13.5. Neil i doubt youll better your 14.1, even with a power upgrade as your on the verge of ruining your times with traction problems. I also very much doubt you achieving the same 14.1 at the pod.
The LCR needs an LSD when chipped.
Extend the track to 1/2 mile though and thats when you see the chipped LCRs/FRS running riot.
williams 2 turbo
i myself dont own ither a focus rs or a 172 cup or otherwise, but i have driven both a fair number of times, ie friend own both and from a driving point of view, the focus pisses all over the clio, why not get some focus rs owners to meet some 172/182 or any other clio owners on a track day and find out!
20VT Clio & 9-5 HOT
That RS set off about 10 minutes after the clio though!Quote: Originally posted by Adams_16v on 13 February 2005
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~cadams/videos/KILLERvsFocusRS.wmvclio16v vs focus rs
Id have to question the ability of the driver. Believe me if you saw what that RS did to my 172, i dread to think what it would do to a 16v clio
20VT Clio & 9-5 HOT
i know mate, but my car would spank most 172s as well
seriously tho at pod that day there was an RS meet and i didnt see one beat 14.8 all day! pretty much all of them were running in the 15s! apart from the cossie focus like heheheand yes in that vid my motor did get a much better start!
i would not even bother....thats unless u have a turbo on the 172....racing the rs,would be like taking on a v6.....
C
chip16v
standard rss are no good for 1/4 mileing as they have limited boost in 1st and 2nd gear but once in third they fly. A chipped rs is a different story because you get back the power ford robbed off you and a bit more. how fast the rs was wasnt really a factor when buying one, i brought mine because it was about the only 2L turbo i could afford to insure at 21. £1080
Matt C, I presume your 172 is not std then? If it was then the 16v would be all over you like a rash, mine certainly would. Give me the RS Focus anyday, it would also be worth something in a few years too.
C
chip16v
Quote: Originally posted by Mitchy on 13 February 2005
Quote: Originally posted by chip16v on 13 February 2005standard rss are no good for 1/4 mileing as they have limited boost in 1st and 2nd gear but once in third they fly. A chipped rs is a different story because you get back the power ford robbed off you and a bit more. how fast the rs was wasnt really a factor when buying one, i brought mine because it was about the only 2L turbo i could afford to insure at 21. £1080[/QUOTE] But surely that limited boost in 1st/2nd gear is a good thing??Take it off and you get masses of wheelspin like me
thus reducing your actual times.I really struggle to get the focus to spin up, so i think it could handle full boost. i would like to be able to choose if i want full power not the car but iam glad its got lsd thou
