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Newbie Query...





Right CMon lads... Ive been the owner of a Corsa 1.2 16V for the last year... It looks nice (Kitted, 17s etc.) but its actually pants!

I appreciate this is likely to be biased! But do I buy...

(a) Corsa GSI (And live at http://www.corsasport.co.uk www.corsasport.co.uk)

(b) Saxo VTS (and live at http://www.saxosportscl saxo sports club)

(c) A Clio 1.8 16V (And live here) :)

(d) A R5 GT (Anf live at RTOC till it blows up?)



Help (y)
 


depends what u want to go for in terms of rarity...

You very rarely see R5 GTTs anymore but they can be a b**ch to own....

1.8 16vs are also becoming more rare... + they are quality.

Saxos are everywhere, as are corsas which you yourself say are crap.

Therefore Id say a 16v clio would be the one to go for..

happy hunting
 


VTS.. Craggy has proved these can be fun - and I actually like the look of them.

16v - because this club rocks - Id buy a Clio just to be a part of this place. 16vs arnt no slouch either - look good - nice car.

R5 - not bad, but Id rather have a Clio with an R5 Engine.

Corsa - Maybe.

Gotta be 16v, I think.. For the club, the car and everything else. hehe.

Daz.
 


probs a 16v, i loved my old gtturbo but it is so hard to find good ones, youll probably end up with a used and abused unreliable shed, took me six months to find a mint one but had 2 and a half years of trouble free turbo powered fun :D
 


172loony... Thats exactly it! Renault 5s are wicked but youve gotta find a minter! And at the mo I stand more change finding a Dodo nest!

So that settles it Clio 1.8 16v! Id almost made my mind up anyway!
 


One more thing... Intorduce yourselves who are the main guys here? I got quite involved at CorsaSport.. So I need to make some new friends! Sob sob
 


Hi, im Ben, i own a 16V, its great, get one.

Im short and have orange hair, my hands are like sandpaper and i like apple juice.

I have the most posts :D and like many others, you will get annoyed by me very easy....haha
 


DO NOT BUY A SAXO!!! As for the Corsa or the Clio both are nice cars altho the Clio is more fun to drive, but the Corsa will go wrong less it depends wat u want. Both look nice. What sort of age of car are you looking to get?
 


Id narrow it down straight away by throwing any idea of a Corsa in the bin. No disrespect to your current car, but it cant mix it with the other three.

GT Turbos are rapid and cheap to buy...provided you can find a good one. Good luck!

The VTS has to be one of the hot hatch bargains of the new car market. £10,000 gets you performance in the 16v/GT Turbo ballpark, free insurance...and erm, a Burberry cap???;) Not quite as cult as the Renaults.

The 16v is a thoroughbred. Proper Group A rally pedigree and still holds many tarmac stage records. So its a race on Sunday, sell on Monday hot hatch...

Very sorted in all ways from the standard Mk1 Clio thanks to RenaultSport. The Williams shares about 95% of the 16vs DNA (basically a special edition to mark Renaults move from the 16v to 2.0 engine in the rally car). Do your research: some dont seem to cost more than lesser models, but thats usually becuse theyre dogs. Minters will cost, but are worth it as Valver bills are big bills.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_b/286000-286999/286766_3_full.jpg

Get a good Valver mate, youll not regret it.
 


Bring on the VALVER! Ha ha ha ha ah :devilish:

Well the final summary...


Corsas are infact dump!
Saxos are quick but everyone has one and I dont like burberry caps!
The renault 5 is Fast as Fap... But not the most reliable and almost guaranteed to suffer from terminal rust!
The valver is quick, comfortable and good looking... an excellent choice but YOU MUST FIND A MINTER!
 


Cheers Ben H... Well I gotta sell the corsa 1st! Wish me luck? Ha ha

Could you e-mail it to mailto:noddyssidekick@hotmail.com">noddyssidekick@hotmail.com please! :D
 
  Corsa 1.3 CDTI


Must have proof of a cambelt change before 72k but prefer to find one that has been changed before that.

Check for rust on the wheel arches rear only as front are plastic. Costs about £130 if the rust is only surface rust.

Check for oil leaks under the engine and any excessive engine noise. Make sure the engine is cold when you get there and get the owner to start it up, stand behind it where the exhaust is a watch for smoke, if it smokes walk away as there are plenty of other 16v with 100K plus miles which dont smoke.

Check for signs of leaking round the sunroof and make sure the sunroof is easy to open and close.



Just a few things I looked out for but there is a great buyer guide on this site...

Ivan
 


If I had the choice then it would be a mint GTT, if I would not lose so much selling my 16v then I would buy one now, but instead I am throwing even more money at my 16v and putting a GTT lump in that instead!! But before the GTT lump goes in I am having alot of work done so that it can be as reliable as possibile, only think not really being replaced yet is the turbo but that shall come in time!!

But then saying that I would love to have a standard 16v!!!

Marcus
 


Cheers! :D This sounds good... I expect its already gone mind!



1993 RENAULT CLIO 1.8 16V 3dr Hatchback
Blue, L Reg, 44000 miles, FRSH, New cam belt, New Front pads & Discs Electric Windows/Mirrors/Sunroof Remote Central Locking & Immobiliser. 44000 miles. £3995 .
 
  Corsa 1.3 CDTI


That is expensive IMHO for an L reg even with such low mileage

http://www.parkers.co.ukwww.parkers.co.uk



Valuation for: Renault Clio 1.8 16-Valve 3d Hatchback







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1993/L

£12725

£2510

£2060

£795

£1555



I bought a 78k valver in Mint condition for £2K, shop around... High mileage one are not really an issue as the engines are bullet proof..
 
  Corsa 1.3 CDTI


5k you can get a willy... 2.0 16v jobbie with more street credit than Kylie topless .. insurance might dent the wallet though..
 


Id print this off if I were you!

Read the 1994 Cars & Car Conversions article on the Williams on the main Cliosport site (under articles!). That outlines the Group A pedigree of the 16v - and its later homologated special edition: the Williams.

Despite this greatness, theyre expensive and time consuming cars - though not because there are any inherrent faults. Cared for cars will last very well, but those that have been repaired cheaply/not at all will cause problems. Basically, youre in deep water outside of buying from an enthusiast - youll find the odd sunken treasure, but also a lot of monsters. Many people buy a 16v, realise they need to be loved and then sell them on with problems.

I bought what looked like a really nice example, with engine mods and leather. Despite a new engine, clutch, brakes and sound bodywork, Ive spent the best part of my spare time and money over the past two years replacing practically everything on this car.

But they look beautiful (especially with no exterior mods), make possibly the best 4-cylinder production engine induction roar and are damn fast. Oh - and theyre only Group 12 insurance too.

Prices amongst enthusiasts depend on condition - not age or mileage (though an extremely low mileage/young example will make extra).

The leather is well worth it, as I know - but it will add about £500 to the price. Phase2 is the spec to go for if you can: its build as much as looks. Ive got an early Phase2 (on a very late L-reg) and the doors shut with much more of a good thud than my flatmates Phase1; meanwhile, Ivegota16vs late N-reg doors close with more of a good thud than mine! (not that doors = total build of the car of course!).

The world of buying a 16v is full of perils and gems. The pricing is totally unfathomable. Throw your price guide in the bin and buy on condition. Youll see the odd 16v at £1500, but you wont be getting a premium example for that, mark my words! On the other hand, there are some real sh*tters for £4k.

I would avoid cars with big wheels (owners ask more and theyre hard on suspension/bearings) and wouldnt worry too much about high miles if the bils are there. There will be loads of cars with 60-70k miles on the market for good reason: its a very expensive mileage. If you pick up a car for a good price with 100k miles plus, it will probably give you less big bills (already done), but more annoying little jobs.

Overall, Im of the opinion that 16v owners are of the demographic that look after their cars well - enthusiasts. However, the cars are fairly maintenace-intensive, so, as ever, the care it has received thus far will usually dictate condition. Look for a big folder of bills.

What you should then be looking for then can be split into categories:

Exterior:

- Rear arch lips are susceptible to rusting, front ones are plastic so arent a problem. Rust also possible on door bottoms, around window rear quarters and boot bottom. Rear arches are now only available as an entire quarter panel - £330 from Renault inc VAT each side - so make for an expensive repair. Other body panels are surprisingly reasonable after a recent price cut.

- Front fogs (expensive) are prone to cracking due to stone chips.

- Bonnet and front bumper also prone to stone chips.

Mechanical:

N.B. due to engine size, many otherwise simple jobs on 16v/Willy are engine-out jobs.

- Cambelts must have been done before 72k (many advise a cambelt change far earlier); fairly big bill in itself and mega bill if it snaps in service.

- Diffs, gbox and clutch are all expensive jobs so check carefully. Jump off the accelerator in 2nd to see if it pops out of gear: if so, then suspect the box or the "dog bone" engine-to-subframe engine mount.

- Rear brake callipers can seize. New rear discs also necessitates new wheel bearings.

- Check aftermarket exhaust mountings - often a poor fit; rumbling under load can be caused by poor exhaust manifold to downpipe gasket (cheap job, disturbing noise).

- Erratic idle commonly due to faulty throttle potentionometer or idle speed control valve (respectively a specialist job and a straight swap).

- 16v/Willy run hot, so check coolant system - hoses, rad, expansion tank, water pump, anti-percolation (if you can). Radweld works wonders with minor radiator leaks.

- Engine mounts often go - embarassing and expensive to have your engine fall out, so see if engine rocks back and forth by opening bonnet and pulling accelerator cable.

- If car has induction kit check security of air hoses - can explain erratic idle or apparent air leak.

- Steering racks and columns are common failures. The handling reaction will be a second or two behind steering input in such a case; car will also tramline and follow road too much.

- Check for snapped front springs.

- CV gaiters should be checked - manifested by clicking noise on full lock.

- Handbrake is normally not good.

- If lowered, will need new front strut top mounts sooner or later. If majorly lowered, check to see that brake pressure-regulating control valve has been adjusted at the rear - otherwise the back wheels will lock too easily. Lowering also places extra strain on front anti-roll bar mountings and bushes and the track rod ends.

Interior:

- Sunroofs leak - tough luck!

- Electric window and mirror switches are very expensive - so check them too.

- Front seat belt reels often become ineffective - especially the drivers one.

- Door handle rods in door mechanism can come loose, so that the handle wont work. A time-consuming but easy job.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_b/286000-286999/286766_15_full.jpg
 


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