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Nice ph1's, worth tucking away for a few years?



  Megane r26
The car was purchased on the 27 of Aug 1985, and was shipped to the patrick motors museum, where it stayed for many years as an exhibit. Eventually was sold off, the car now only has 20k on the clock, im not going to go into mega detail about the car... the car is well known throughout the RS scene, had a big feature in performance ford in 1992, as being the only standard unmolsted series 1, like i said, not gonna go on about it.... i be here all night..... but yes car is worth 20k, & this particular car would sell for that.

Fairplay, certainly sounds like its got a good comprehensive history. You drive it much?
 
  Clio Sport 172 Ph2
Yup, tis alot of bread for an old C reg escort lol. But over the years been bombarded with offers for the car.... many of them well worth taking. But its 30 years old in 2 & abit years, and there will be a big Celebration in the RS scene, so would like to go to the shows.
 

Stefan.

ClioSport Club Member
surely it costs money to keep it in that condition year in year out, and parts must become frail and need replacing even if its not driven. i just can't see it as a good investment personally.

Still credit to you!! by all means i can appreciate it.
 
  Clio Sport 172 Ph2
surely it costs money to keep it in that condition year in year out, and parts must become frail and need replacing even if its not driven. i just can't see it as a good investment personally.

Still credit to you!! by all means i can appreciate it.

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sj2112, yes.... the car is kept tip top, things have to be monitored through the years.... etc, i wouldnt just let it sit there.
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
The car was purchased on the 27 of Aug 1985, and was shipped to the patrick motors museum, where it stayed for many years as an exhibit. Eventually was sold off, the car now only has 20k on the clock, im not going to go into mega detail about the car... the car is well known throughout the RS scene, had a big feature in performance ford in 1992, as being the only standard unmolsted series 1, like i said, not gonna go on about it.... i be here all night..... but yes car is worth 20k, & this particular car would sell for that.

Can't say I've ever seen a precedent to back that value up. Double what any other has sold for i would think. Sounds an epic example though. Maybe bonkers would buy it. :)
 
  Clio Sport 172 Ph2
Can't say I've ever seen a precedent to back that value up. Double what any other has sold for i would think. Sounds an epic example though. Maybe bonkers would buy it. :)

bonkers.... already has Princess Di's one in black.... & a S1 in white. i know he gave bigger money for Diana's one than mine would ever command.
 

yeecup

ClioSport Club Member
  mk8Fiesta ST,172 cup
Seen some up for 15k. I had a mint s2 escort turbo, people hanker after these old fords, probably never driven one, they aren't much cop tbh, handling is piss poor, rough engines, and they rot. Doesn't seem to matter though...
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
Seen some up for 15k. I had a mint s2 escort turbo, people hanker after these old fords, probably never driven one, they aren't much cop tbh, handling is piss poor, rough engines, and they rot. Doesn't seem to matter though...

Lots of fords get put up for silly money but don't sell though so don't confuse advertised prices and actual sale prices.
 
  Clio Sport 172 Ph2
Seen some up for 15k. I had a mint s2 escort turbo, people hanker after these old fords, probably never driven one, they aren't much cop tbh, handling is piss poor, rough engines, and they rot. Doesn't seem to matter though...

like i say... gimme a modern hot hatch anyday lol. The S2, was a more smoother refined car than the S1.... had a different 5th gear ratio so it revved lower on the motorway, softer suspension, also didnt have the special Viscious LSD diff the S1 had. There were loads of differences..... the best move ford made, is when they went EFi on there injection systems, which the RS turbo never saw as standard.
 
  Megane r26
Did it sell for the full asking price?

VERY low mileage at 4k, but Im still gobsmacked at that price TBH
Even 205s rarely go for that much.

An I know which one I'd rather own, the 205 gti was one of the original hot hatchs hence the kudos that goes with it, the 106 gti although a cracking car in many ways it was the choice of your local ring road heros an heavily mass produced (not that the 205 wasn't) an theres still plenty of them left. I could advertise my car for 10k, all cause its on ebay, ph etc for that doesn't mean it will sell!
 
  Lionel Richie
only RS cars worth hanging onto for the future is the Williams and the V6 (in that order), all the others aren't really special enough, Trophy's "maybe" but unlikley as it is just a 182 cup with fancy shocks/seats/spoiler/wheels in reality (so can be easily recreated in future from a 182 cup pack car)
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
The unique colour on the trophy probably helps slightly in terms of making it harder to reproduce, but I agree that the williams and the V6 are the only ones worthy of "investing" in.

And then only VERY low miles examples of course if its ever going to be worth a lot.
 

Jamie

ClioSport Club Member
Trophy's won't hold their value - already proving that. I reckon I could exchange mine for a big mac meal right now.
 

yeecup

ClioSport Club Member
  mk8Fiesta ST,172 cup
im not sure i agree with all the low mileage chat making a car worth more in the future, surely its down to condition first then mileage, low miles helps sure but not if the history/bodywork/underside etc isnt up to scratch.
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
im not sure i agree with all the low mileage chat making a car worth more in the future, surely its down to condition first then mileage, low miles helps sure but not if the history/bodywork/underside etc isnt up to scratch.

Not when it comes to collectors, for a collector to be interested it has to be utterly mint inside and out, and has to be low miles, if its not all of those things it wont command the massive premium that collectors pay.
 
  Clio Sport 172 Ph2
Hoping to hang onto my Monoco 172 for a few years, they have a decent spec on em, colour's quite rare, i dont see many anyway. Not sure that there value will shoot up though in years to come.
 
  Clio 172 cup
The clio williams would now be a future classic and already soaring in value had Renault not ruined its rarity by producing the 2&3

Fact
 
Anyone remember Just Williams? The UK group that had a go at Renault for basically reneging the original 400 car limited run.

They have made some great little cars, but IMO they don't give a s**t about enthusiasts and never have. That is why no one will ever be willing to pay decent money for a twenty year old Clio.
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
The clio williams would now be a future classic and already soaring in value had Renault not ruined its rarity by producing the 2&3

Fact

Agreed. The initial williams owners were livid at paying over the top for a limited edition and then renault releasing 2 more versions almost identical!
 
  120d M Sport
im not sure i agree with all the low mileage chat making a car worth more in the future, surely its down to condition first then mileage, low miles helps sure but not if the history/bodywork/underside etc isnt up to scratch.

I agree, see plenty of high mileage 205 GTIs and old skool fords with high miles but in pristine condition up for good money (and selling).
 
  182/RS2/ Turbo/Mk1
I agree, see plenty of high mileage 205 GTIs and old skool fords with high miles but in pristine condition up for good money (and selling).

Not for really good money you dont, thats the reserve of the low milers.

Serious collectors hate anything with many miles on the clock.
 

BREMBO

ClioSport Club Member
  V6 Mk1, Golf GTI Mk5
Great idea, look at decent Williams.

I have the V6 which I love :) also know of a Mk1 Golf and Williams 2 in a garage, both would be resto projects though also have somebody with a mazda with 30 miles on the clock lol
 

MarcB

ClioSport Club Member
  Too Many
My RS Turbo has an agreed value of £8K and thats what the insurance say its worth and i have seen a few S1 Turbos go for more than £20K.
Like i say the only ones worth holding for some big £££'s in the future are the original Williams and the V6.
 
  120d M Sport
Not for really good money you dont, thats the reserve of the low milers.

Serious collectors hate anything with many miles on the clock.

Not really good, but still good considering.

I would say £3000-3500 for old 205's on 90+k miles is good money given what they are.

If a ph1 172 was still fetching that in 5 years time on those sort of miles you would say that is good, because that's more than what they're worth at the moment!
 

R-Sport.

ClioSport Club Member
  Mint 1*2's for sale-
THeres not many PH1's that could be classed as worthy of being a collector car-

the one Single one that I remember being the best was my Carlsberg PH1-

1 owner
30k
Full Renault History at 1 dealer- Cambelt receipt for 2k.

Sold that for 3k in one day- & I guarentee I could sell the same car again ( if it came up) for 3k again.

S
 


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