Nice ph1's, worth tucking away for a few years?

[Craig.]

My other Ph1 sunflower has done 49k with only 2owners, ive give this to my dad to use as a summer/weekend toy as he wanted another renault sport as a 2nd car. Not sure if itll be worth more in years to come but i cant see it loosing money, but its mint & always been garaged.

Ill probs never sell the supercharged ph1 but only due to the money ive spent on it & for what id get for it if i sold it it means more to me than that.

i dont think french hot hatches hold a premium like the old fords & vw's do but the likes of the Williams/Trophy/V6 will be the ones to keep hold of. Saying that alot of people seem to be after ph1s atm so a mint low mileage one should hold its money.

if you can afford to keep it as a summer/weekend toy id say do it, just dont expect it to be worth loads of ££££

 

[ddouble]

It's good to know people are looking after the mint low mileage phase 1 172s. I like the idea of owning one 5-10 years in the future. True not a good investment, but it is a fun one.

I think the ultra low mileage ones will likely end up on something like 4star classics for 8-9 grand.

 

[Llewellyn]

I would have thought investment wise there would be no point and you'd be best off with some sort of savings/shares but, if you can afford to keep it and more importantly, want to keep it then you're not going to loose anything.

 

[gez 172]

Never in a million years will a ph1 be worth 8-9K

 

[Chip-mk1]

Never in a million years will a ph1 be worth 8-9K

In a 100 years a decent meal out will cost that much due to inflation.

 

[.GAZ.]

FLOL...

 

[Alan]

It's good to know people are looking after the mint low mileage phase 1 172s. I like the idea of owning one 5-10 years in the future. True not a good investment, but it is a fun one.

I think the ultra low mileage ones will likely end up on something like 4star classics for 8-9 grand.

Is your head ok? Still drunk from last night? Or other issues talk to FRANK.

 

[riz]

It's good to know people are looking after the mint low mileage phase 1 172s. I like the idea of owning one 5-10 years in the future. True not a good investment, but it is a fun one.

I think the ultra low mileage ones will likely end up on something like 4star classics for 8-9 grand.

The only people who think Ph1 are classics are the owners. Outside of CS.net it's a Clio. 8-9k my arse, would correlate to Vees being worth 35k

 

[Gally]

Is your head ok? Still drunk from last night? Or other issues talk to FRANK.

Flol! Crack everywhere!

 

[Silent_Scone]

Anything that's in absolute showroom condition and old enough can fetch higher than most people would be willing to pay for it. It's not wrong to assume one could go for more money any more than it is another car. Is a mint Lancia Delta honestly worth over 30k? Depends who you ask.

The only Clio that will be worth substantially more in another decade is the Trophy for obvious reasons though.

 

[Alan]

A red 182 with tarty suspension.. Come on now.

 

[Sam Bignell]

Financially not worth putting away however for an enjoyable toy over the summer points it does seem a good idea.

I have tucked away in the garage my v6 of course but predicting the future market it difficult . . . . fuel may become too expensive to render all petrol vehicles useless

 

[Chip-mk1]

I think in years to come the williams will outperform the trophy for value.

 

[not normal dan]

I think in years to come the williams will outperform the trophy for value.

How many Williams did they build?

 

[Chip-mk1]

How many Williams did they build?

In total between the different ones (there were 3 different williams) about 12000 in total, so far more than they did with the trophy, but the williams was FAR more special compared to the next model down when it came out than the trophy was, journalists made a huge deal out of it, and there was massive public interest in it, hence a lot of demand, the trophy unless you are a clio nerd wont even be something you are likely to know exists, and unlike the williams doesnt have any real heritage, the williams was obviously named after the F1 team and also was massively successful in rallying, the trophy just doesnt have that sort of heritage and its a combination of heritage/desirability/rarity that dictates value with classic cars.

 

[Steve]

It's not wrong to assume one could go for more money any more than it is another car. Is a mint Lancia Delta honestly worth over 30k? Depends who you ask.

The only Clio that will be worth substantially more in another decade is the Trophy for obvious reasons though.

Trying to compare a French run about to a rallying legend?

Trophy & Williams are not radical enough, V6 is the one.

Look at all the 'track ready etc' that have had thousands spent on them for 5k that never sell till nearer 2.5-3k.

In other words pay for parts get free car.

 

[imprezaworks]

Pretty much sums it up really ^^. If you ever write a book chip can i buy a copy please

 

[not normal dan]

In total between the different ones (there were 3 different williams) about 12000 in total, so far more than they did with the trophy, but the williams was FAR more special compared to the next model down when it came out than the trophy was, journalists made a huge deal out of it, and there was massive public interest in it, hence a lot of demand, the trophy unless you are a clio nerd wont even be something you are likely to know exists, and unlike the williams doesnt have any real heritage, the williams was obviously named after the F1 team and also was massively successful in rallying, the trophy just doesnt have that sort of heritage and its a combination of heritage/desirability/rarity that dictates value with classic cars.

Very good answer, they say you learn something new everyday haha

 

[Silent_Scone]

Trying to compare a French run about to a rallying legend?

Trophy & Williams are not radical enough, V6 is the one.

Look at all the 'track ready etc' that have had thousands spent on them for 5k that never sell till nearer 2.5-3k.

In other words pay for parts get free car.

It's all relative you Mong. That's the point.

Wasn't comparing the two cars directly, obviously.

Modifying cars has zero to do with this as far as I can tell so not sure why you'd bring that up really.

 

[JON13S]

A lot of this may be dependant on Renault. If these and there future models start to develop a cult following then there will be demand and premiums. Look at old fords its exactly what happened, a period of iconic cars and people associate with them and are willing to pay to be a part of it.

 

[yeecup]

In total between the different ones (there were 3 different williams) about 12000 in total, so far more than they did with the trophy, but the williams was FAR more special compared to the next model down when it came out than the trophy was, journalists made a huge deal out of it, and there was massive public interest in it, hence a lot of demand, the trophy unless you are a clio nerd wont even be something you are likely to know exists, and unlike the williams doesnt have any real heritage, the williams was obviously named after the F1 team and also was massively successful in rallying, the trophy just doesnt have that sort of heritage and its a combination of heritage/desirability/rarity that dictates value with classic cars.

They didn't make 12000 Williams

 

[DannyR]

Think there's an extra zero on there, was just under 1000 in the UK.

 

[Ol’ Tarby]

5417 - williams (May 1993)
5065 - williams 2 (June 1994)
1618 - williams 3 (June 1995)

less than 1000 in the uk though I think

 

[julzh]

They didn't make 12000 Williams

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clio_Williams#Clio_Williams

 

[Dave Hester]

Its just not special enough to grow any value

An escort cosworth would be an ideal car in this situation

 

[Alan]

This ^

 

[Willliams]

A 1983 Renault 5 Alpine/Gordini with over 100k km on the clock, but exceptionally rust free and in very good OEM condition sold earlier this year for circa £6,500.00



These cars were considered almost 'disposable', like 172's are now.

I think on this basis, its inevitable that low milage, cared for examples of the PH1 172 will, at some point, be worth a bit of money. Ok not a fortune, but certainly not worthless. These were after all, the first main stream 'Renault Sport' Clio produced!

I shall be looking after mine, and have no plans to sell. It has just 56k on the clock and is tucked away in the garage.

 

[Chip-mk1]

They didn't make 12000 Williams

Yes they did, I wouldnt have said so otherwise.

 

[Stu.]

I heard those gay yellow ones will be worth a fair bit in a few years

 

[yeecup]

Yes they did, I wouldnt have said so otherwise.

2 and 3's don't count

 

[DannyR]

I heard those gay yellow ones will be worth a fair bit in a few years

Only unmolested ones

 

[MikeClio172SPT]

I have a car tucked away, worth about 20k now as it stands.

 

[Stefan.]

I have a car tucked away, worth about 20k now as it stands.

which is?

 

[MikeClio172SPT]

 

[Stefan.]

^ that must have zero miles on it to be worth that amount?!

 

[imprezaworks]

That's worth 20k? Seriously

 

[imprezaworks]

Or that's what's been spent on it lol

 

[not normal dan]

Seen concourse for 10k plus but never 20! What's so special? Do love a good series 1 turbo though, my late uncle had one when I was about 4. It got pinched like so many others!

 

[MikeClio172SPT]

The car was purchased on the 27 of Aug 1985, and was shipped to the patrick motors museum, where it stayed for many years as an exhibit. Eventually was sold off, the car now only has 20k on the clock, im not going to go into mega detail about the car... the car is well known throughout the RS scene, had a big feature in performance ford in 1992, as being the only standard unmolsted series 1, like i said, not gonna go on about it.... i be here all night..... but yes car is worth 20k, & this particular car would sell for that.

 

[imprezaworks]

Good effort, love these cars.