PC Crash?

[Final Maxim]

right, upgraded the gf's pc few weeks ago now, but recently its been restarting itself every couple of days.

Stability issue?

Ive upgraded the CPU and ram. Could i try underclocking the cpu and trying that? as the cpu is maxing out the motherboard

Ideas? ta

 

[ViolentJ]

Got a spare PSU to try?

 

[Final Maxim]

not really, i could whip mine out my pc but thatd mean stripping the lot down = ballache.

psu is about 5 years old, dunno what make/model/watts etc, but thats a possibility actually. wouldnt it blow up though instead of restarting the pc?

 

[daveymacivor]

Try removing the RAM upgrade you put in and put it back to the original amount of RAM to see if it makes any difference.

 

[Final Maxim]

wont be able to run vista on 512 i dont think?

 

[daveymacivor]

Im not overly sure, it will depend on your PC i suppose. In my experience at work this kind of problem is down to the RAM almost all the time.

 

[H182]

As said, usually faulty ram or psu. Could be that its not powerful enough for the new system.

 

[Final Maxim]

ill try swap a gig of my ram into this one, see if it stops crashing, cheers for replies

 

[Final Maxim]

right, still doing it, basically the pc is unusuable, bad crashing and sometimes wont even turn on, just a black screen.

i tried to put my ram into it but my ram has a casing on and it wont fit into this motherboard :S

should i just buy her a new PSU and go from there?

the one thats in is a 5+ year old 450w microsoft PSU

 

[H182]

Sounds like its going to be either memory, psu or the mobo itself. Only way to find the problem is to rule them out by testing other components.

 

[Monkey_beast_182]

^ agreed!

I'd start with the PSU - cheapest option first. Whip it out and try a different one - I'd recommend a higher power one (600W or 750W if you can fit it in the case). It might be the processor pulls slightly more power than the old one, and that's enough to tip it over the edge. Failing that, my next guess would be m/board. It could be something as simple as a slight voltage leak on the PSU!

 

[Munson]

It does sound like the PSU. Perhaps just a hunch as other people are suggesting, but quite likely to be the cause. In my experience very few people, including myself until quite recently, pay attention to the PSU and what it does. It's the heart of your PC, and if it's struggling then the PC will crash/restart.

If I'm reading correctly it also appears to be getting worse. My money is on the PSU also

 

[Brand86]

Sounds simple but have you tried cleaning out the fan? Mine kept restarting untill I cleaned it out and has been a million times better since.

 

[Final Maxim]

cheers for the replies.

nah i aint tried cleaning it. ill just replace it i think.

also, does any PSU work with any motherboard?

my PSU in my PC is 6 months old, would it work (have the right connections) to fit her PC?

 

[H182]

should do, just some of the newer boards have a larger connector. a PSU with a larger connector will work with older boards but ovbiously not vice versa.

 

[Final Maxim]

larger connector going into what mate? what should i be looking for on my psu.

kick in the dick really as i gotta strip my pc down, strip hers down, rebuild hers just to test, then strip hers down again and rebuild mine

 

[H182]

the power connector on some newer mobo's/PSU's are 24pins instead of 20 (I think) so the plug is slightly bigger. Its possible that they are both just 20 so won't be a problem.

 

[Rasclart]

I think FM's PC will be a 24 pin and hers a 20 pin. However most newer PSU's you can take the other 4 extra connections off. They just clip off. So you can run it 20 or 24 pin.

If it only started doing this when you did the upgrade then 90% it would be the stuff you have put in, i.e one of them is faulty. Check the motherboard for leaking or bulging capacitors as well. They should be flat on top and not domed in anyway or leaking this will cause crashing.

 

[Final Maxim]

yea it only done it since i upgraded it.

i put in brand new ram from ebuyer, which i suppose i could put in my pc to test it?

 

[Rasclart]

Is a plan.

What config of memory do you have in there at the moment? Can you take one stick out and leave it on test. Vista will run on 512MB turn all the fancy shite off, just as a test.

Download a program called memtest, create a boot disk that should test your memory. There are a few Windows based ones but never really used one.

 

[Rasclart]

Also might be the Mobo doesnt like the memory brand in there. Try updating BIOS may provide better compatibility with the memory you are using

 

[Final Maxim]

i dunno the config of the ram, i never mess with it, i just throw it in and switch it on.

in there atm is just a 1 gig stick but i do have a 512 somewhere, ill try run that

 

[Final Maxim]

i hate messing with bios, it always just f***s up for me :\

 

[Final Maxim]

right.. swapped the psu's.. on the gfs pc atm.. no crashes yet

 

[Final Maxim]

im starting to think it could be graphics issue?

does this make sense to anyone? im crashing everytime i try play a game this is the report..



*--> Crash <--*
Exception: c0000005
Memory at address 7239adee could not be read
App: Gw.exe
ProgramId: 1
Build: 24047
When: 10/23/2007 21:39:34
Flags: 0

*--> System <--*
Name: FI-PC
IpAddr: 192.168.0.3
Processors: 1 [AuthenticAMD:6:10:0]
OSVersion: 6.0

*--> Thread 0xfffffffe <--*
eax=0000004c ebx=00000080 ecx=fffffe7d edx=0000027d esi=7239ada2 edi=01f93304
eip=0066dd6c esp=02aff840 ebp=02aff888
cs=10202 ss=001b ds=0023 es=0023 fs=0023 gs=003b efl=00000000

esi-32 01F932E4 00000000 3891bbeb 080ebefa 08af2218
esi-16 01F932F4 00000200 00000037 00000040 03715e40
esi +0 01F93304 00000050 1179f190 08a617b0 0000004c
esi+16 01F93314 0ddfc1b8 00000400 00000400 000003ff
esi+32 01F93324 00000400 08a71f90 00000020 0000001c
esi+48 01F93334 00000040 08ab2340 00000020 00000002

*--> Code <--*
0066DD4C 451052e8 1c6d1500 8a480889 45f8f6c1 E.R..m...H..E...
0066DD5C 01753a8b 700885f6 74338b47 0c8b4d10 .u:.p...t3.G..M.
0066DD6C 390c0675 0f8d55c4 8bce52e8 c4efffff 9..u..U...R.....
0066DD7C 85c07511 8b4df856 e83738d9 ff8bf085 ..u..M.V.78.....
0066DD8C f675d7eb 0885f60f 854d0200 00689901 .u.......M...h..
0066DD9C 00006838 3b9f0033 d2b96000 0000e891 ..h8;..3..`.....

*--> Trace <--*
Pc:0066dd6c Fr:02aff888 Rt:0066e071 Arg:02aff8ec ffffffff fffffe7d 00000102

*--> Stack <--*
02AFF840 08238578 01fb6498 00000102 00000080 x.#..d..........
02AFF850 00000102 ffffffff 00000001 00000000 ................
02AFF860 03715e40 085e8488 02aff888 731374fd @^q...^......t.s
02AFF870 03715e40 00000000 00000000 00000001 @^q.............
02AFF880 0ddfdf94 01f932f0 02aff8ac 0066e071 .....2......q.f.
02AFF890 02aff8ec ffffffff fffffe7d 00000102 ........}.......
02AFF8A0 00000001 08a72354 00000043 02aff8f8 ....T#..C.......
02AFF8B0 006608fb ffffffff 00000080 00000102 ..f.............
02AFF8C0 00000001 08a72354 00000043 1101eaf8 ....T#..C.......
02AFF8D0 01fb6498 01fb7194 02aff8e0 7f800000 .d...q..........
02AFF8E0 ffffffff 00000001 08a72354 02affca4 ........T#......
02AFF8F0 00000000 01fb6498 02affcc0 00663cd2 .....d.......<f.
02AFF900 000003e0 00000000 00000102 00000000 ................
02AFF910 00000000 00000000 00000000 01fb7314 .............s..
02AFF920 089cabac 01fb6498 00000000 00000000 .....d..........
02AFF930 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................
02AFF940 0a669108 00000000 00000001 00000001 ..f.............
02AFF950 000003e0 00000080 000003e4 00000170 ............p...
02AFF960 00000000 00000000 000003f0 000002be ................
02AFF970 00000420 00000002 00000000 00000000 ...............
02AFF980 00000000 00000000 00000001 00000010 ................
02AFF990 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................
02AFF9A0 000003f0 00000000 00000000 c0618e5a ............Z.a.
02AFF9B0 b42569ab 00000000 2b3a0c36 3266b2b4 .i%.....6.:+..f2
02AFF9C0 be9d4a15 c020209d c2aa22a6 333a8592 .J... .."....:3
02AFF9D0 bf7e5717 3df9d518 42e40582 333a56f1 .W~....=...B.V:3
02AFF9E0 bf7e1781 3df996a3 42e44980 c0618e5a ..~....=.I.BZ.a.
02AFF9F0 b42569ab 00000000 2b3a0c36 3266b2b4 .i%.....6.:+..f2
02AFFA00 be9d4a15 c020209d c2aa22a6 333a8592 .J... .."....:3
02AFFA10 bf7e5717 3df9d518 42e40582 333a56f1 .W~....=...B.V:3
02AFFA20 bf7e1781 3df996a3 42e44980 bf800000 ..~....=.I.B....
02AFFA30 b33bbd2f 00000000 2a5328ba 31b7097b /.;......(S*{..1
02AFFA40 bdf996a3 bf7e1781 c206fc7c 333a56f1 ......~.|....V:3
02AFFA50 bf7e1781 3df996a3 42e44980 00000000 ..~....=.I.B....
02AFFA60 00000000 00000000 3f800000 bf800000 ...........?....
02AFFA70 31b7097b 333a56f1 00000000 b33bbd2f {..1.V:3..../.;.
02AFFA80 bdf996a3 bf7e1781 00000000 00000000 ......~.........
02AFFA90 bf7e1781 3df996a3 00000000 2a5328ba ..~....=.....(S*
02AFFAA0 c206fc7c 42e44980 3f800000 3f800000 |....I.B...?...?
02AFFAB0 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................
02AFFAC0 3f800000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ...?............
02AFFAD0 00000000 3f800000 00000000 00000000 .......?........
02AFFAE0 00000000 00000000 3f800000 bf800000 ...........?....
02AFFAF0 b33bbd2f 00000000 2a5328ba 31b7097b /.;......(S*{..1
02AFFB00 bdf996a3 bf7e1781 c206fc7c 333a56f1 ......~.|....V:3
02AFFB10 bf7e1781 3df996a3 42e44980 00000000 ..~....=.I.B....
02AFFB20 00000000 00000000 3f800000 00000001 ...........?....
02AFFB30 031acb78 00000001 02affba4 00000006 x...............
02AFFB40 72e51814 0326fe08 00000001 02affb84 ...r..&.........
02AFFB50 0377d5e8 0378ed60 00000001 08b0c300 ..w.`.x.........
02AFFB60 00000000 0377d5e8 00000000 40618e5a ......w.....Z.a@
02AFFB70 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 ................
02AFFB80 40215476 00000000 00000000 00000000 vT!@............
02AFFB90 00000000 3f802008 3f800000 00000000 ..... .?...?....
02AFFBA0 00000000 be7a3e8f 00000000 00000006 .....>z.........
02AFFBB0 ff000000 3f800000 00000000 0377d5e8 .......?......w.
02AFFBC0 00000001 72e45b0f 031acb78 0378ed60 .....[.rx...`.x.
02AFFBD0 0371891c 731373d7 031acb78 3f800000 ..q..s.sx......?
02AFFBE0 02affc70 0371891c 00000000 00000000 p.....q.........
02AFFBF0 000003f0 000002be 00000000 3f800000 ...............?
02AFFC00 02affc18 7313733e 02affc70 03715e40 ....>s.sp...@^q.
02AFFC10 03715e44 00000000 02affc54 731374bc D^q.....T....t.s
02AFFC20 03715e40 02affc70 e8e3f5ed 000002be @^q.p...........
02AFFC30 03715e40 000003f0 03715e44 00000000 @^q.....D^q.....

*--> LogQueue <--*
(2) Texture '' file not found

*--> DirectX Device Info <--*
VendorId = 0x1002
DeviceId = 0x4150
Version = 7.14.0010.0503
Description = RADEON 9600 SERIES
Compat = 0x00000001
VidMem = 128 MB

*--> DirectSound Device Info <--*
3D channels = 32
2D channels = 32
EAX support = None
Device count = 3

 

[Rasclart]

Could be a driver issue. Looks more like a driver issue as it shows a faulting application at the top.

Try updating to the latest radeon drivers, check the card temp as well. Could just be a fecked card. Do you get artifacts when playing any corruption? Does it only crash in games?

 

[Final Maxim]

f**king PC, i stripped mine yesterday, stripped hers, tried my psu in hers and it was still crashing when i played a game or used like windows media player. either the screen would just freeze our ide just get an error come up.

so i took out my psu knowing that the psu is ok, fit all mine back together and it wouldnt turn on :S

spent 2 hours f**king about stripping it, refitting it, ended up just leaving it as it was pissing me off.

came home from work earlier and stripped it down again and tried it in the gf's.. it worked fine. so i know its something to do with my actual pc, refit it all and it worked :S

anyway, just refit the gfs pc up and its having problems starting up still.

i just tried to boot it twice, it goes past the details screen, past bios etc, the windows bar goes back n forwards, then i just get a black screen.

i found that ram so ill try that when i can be arsed to mess with it again.

cant try my graphics card as the psu in hers dont have the connector for it :\