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Pikey manifold Fitted (pictures)



  Megane 2 GT 165
Saturday morning 10.00 I went from home to the Renault dealer to get the last two o-rings for the injectors. Then I was ready for fitting the lower inlet manifold I matched myself.

Paying for the parts I got f**ked and need to get back the Renault dealer on Monday to get my money back. The rings of the injector are a bit on the expensive side 19euro (14 pounds) for two rings. (Yeah they come in sets of 2, but you always need 4 but hey)

Got to the garage (Scania) where a mate works hey arranged a place I could work and use some tools if needed. (First things first, so coffee)

Starting on the car I removed the electronic throttle body to get working on the plenum, which was easy. Removed the cover plate underneath the car, so I could support the engine, if the top engine-mount had the came off the car.

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I also replaced the rings on the injectors which I think was not really necessary, but I had bought them anyway.

Got all bolts, of the manifold, loose but 2 I couldn’t reach easily, for one I needed to get the top engine mount off, so I shove under a pallet-wagon (pump-wagon, I used this because I was working in a Truck garage and the jacks were too big to fit under the car) with some wood on top.

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Removed the top mount and undid the bolt on the left side of the manifold.

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After undoing all bolts the manifold did not came out easily, it was stuck between the front mount which keeps the alternator in place. (I Don’t know how to describe)

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Finally got the manifold out and could compare it to the one I matched. The difference is quit big.

The manifold fitted to the car
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My own grinded part. (Your can see the difference) It was matched to the outlined old gasket and about 0.5-1.0mm smaller then the gasket itself

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(A problem I encountered, that sand was falling in the inlet ports, when I removed the manifold, the sand was lying on top the manifold when I unscrewed it, so be careful! I luckily managed to get all sand out)

Look at all the sand :S
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Getting the part on was the toughest part. The new gasket I got would not stay on the same place so it would not mate good enough. (This was due the same front mount) After some fiddling and some help of a mate I got it all in place and started building it together again.

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(Also the part I got was different from the part I took off my car. On the left side there was a flange which I had to remove to make it fit my car) All other dimensions were ok and it fitted like a glove.

Placed all stuff back on the car and turned on the ignition twice to get the fuel to the injectors. After that it started right up.

Me taking a nap!

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Went for a small test drive and all in all it feels a lot smoother. Especially between 2500-4000rpm it has improved acceleration. Below 1750rpm it feels a bit more sluggish, but I guess nobody ever drives the car below 2000rpm. At the higher revs it feels like the car wants to rev more freely.

So the conclusion: The time and money well spend….total costs were about 80euro (60pounds) and 10 hours spend (5-6 hours grinding and 4-5 hours fitting)


 
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Interesting write up dude!

Ill have loads of spare engine bits to play with soon LOL

I may have a shot at some point :)
 
  Lionel Richie
i'm only joking, these euro boys aren't as quick as us ;) (i'm gonna guess though that that comment will back fire and Feelx will be from the uk or something! LOL)
 
  172 ph1
Where it was stuck you can slacken off the screw 3 to the right of your circle, much easier then. Otherwise you have to wiggle like mad.
 
  Megane 2 GT 165
LOL thanks at all the replies. Yeah I am a european, but so or all people from UK but you guys think paying with euro's is silly :)

Yeah this was my firsttime doing this job and yeah we fill up everything with sand on the main land.

@skinner, I tried slacking that bolt, but I think I did not undo the bolt enought to give some more space to fit the manifold.

@Fubar the sand was ontop and between the manifold/engine when I removed it.

@Fred ;) I asked you for an easy guide, but you did not respond, so that's the 4 hours (would have saved 2 hours at the least, since you are that good)

@Rags, what do you think? My old rags ofcourse!
 
  80MPG BEEZA
4-5hours fitting! bloody hell!

was thinking the same when i read that


maybe he did it blindfolded and then lost a bolt, when he found it he accidently kicked it and had to find it again hence the time :)
 
  Ph1
4-5hours fitting! bloody hell!

was thinking the same when i read that


maybe he did it blindfolded and then lost a bolt, when he found it he accidently kicked it and had to find it again hence the time :)

Lets be honest about it, if it was his first time taking it off its not one of the easiest jobs to undertake on a 172 especially the side bolt above the pulleys
 
  Megane 2 GT 165
Thanks Andyman!

So it took a bit long, but I am no mechanic, only a mechanical engineer, so never really was teached how to repair cars. And yes it was my first time taking of the manifold.

Anyway I am glad with the result and that's what counts. Next is a update of Henk's (fastchip) software to be loaded in the ECU.
 
  RS RIP
""Anyway I am glad with the result and that's what counts. Next is a update of Henk's (fastchip) software to be loaded in the ECU.[/quote]""




You're going to love that one , mine went like a rocket afterwards
 
  172 Ph1/Scooby MY00
Good work buddy. I saw mine being fitted and it wasn't a straightforward job. I'm also considering a Fastchip, just considering it though as I'm still to be convinced.

Rob669
 
  Megane 2 GT 165
Thanks Mattjk and Rob669,

Well it's not really like a guide, but there might be some more usefull information then there was already around.

@Rob669, I already had a remap from fastchip last year and it was a good improvement from standard, but Henk hasn't been sitting still, and improved it some more. Hearing good thinks about it and will try to get it next weekend, but still need to arrange with Henk. Will tell the results ofcourse!
 
  172 Ph1/Scooby MY00
Thanks FeelX, look forward to hearing about that - some RR data would be especially good (before and after).

Cheers.
 
  Megane 2 GT 165
I won't be doing a RR sorry, so I can only tell what I noticed driving-wise. It's going to be done monday 11th in the evening. So will post afterwards.
 
  Megane 2 GT 165
Finally went to Fastchip today,

A week later then expected I got to Henk so he could have a look at the map I had and he made some changes. (The map I already had was his)

Doing sort of live mapping on the road. With his gear in place we had a few runs and he adjusted the map a bit so the ignition timing is spot on.

The car feels more alive again, even above the previous map I had from him (22 september to be precise). It is mapped for RON98 fuel now and runs very smooth.

Henk also had a play with the electronic throttle settings. Pedal position/throttle valve response. The car has more throttle response (even more then before with the remap) (Henk has to fine tune it abit maybe, but it's good enough for me)

So today I am well happy again!
 
  Megane 2 GT 165
LOL thanks! (about the english)

Well I thought lets give it ago....hasn't cost much :)
 
  ValverInBits
FeelX, Where did you get that gasket from that you matched the Inlet to??

you described it as "the outlined old gasket and about 0.5-1.0mm smaller then the gasket itself"

Did you make it or something? i don't get it :(
 
  Megane 2 GT 165
No worries Point8, I'll explain

I bought a second hand inlet manifold on which you could see the dirt from the old gasket. I used that to match my ports. But left a small area so the ports were 50x29-29.5mm.

I also checked if the gasket was lined up properly with measuring the bolt spacing.

I did not really use a gasket only the print (dirt built up between the manifold and head). Hope this makes things clearer.
 
  Renaultsport Clio 172
Feelx, this job you did is awesome!!! I have been looking to this inlet match mod for quite a while; I am from Mexico and no one does that, so seeing you doing it yourself made me think, hell to it and do the same to mine.

I have one question, how did you do the match (I know you used the gasket)? I mean, which tool you used? If you will, please describe as you did with the fitting, I am planning a whole weekend for this mod as buying one from BenR would be very expensive, shippin accross the Atlantic doesn't come cheap! Then, fastchip RSTuner for sure!!!

Thanks in advance,
Mauricio
 
  Megane 2 GT 165
@maupineda,

Thanks, I have send you a PM with a link to the other thread where I described the matching. If you need more info PM me.

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=291525

I also have a spare inlet manifold I can send to you, if your matching goes wrong you still have the original manifold and you can drive the car when you're working on the inlet, so no rush.
 
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Sorry if this sounds silly, but where did the sand come form on the last page with the inlet manifold in it ?

Did you sand/shot blast the manifold before fitting it or something ?
 
  Megane 2 GT 165
@all, you are all welcome, it's nice to know people find my post intresting/usefull

@weeman, Near the Hague, you? (ben je nederlands?)

@D1cky, The sand was laying ontop of the inletmanifold, when I removed it the sand felt down in the ports. I removed all and the car is running fine. (inlet was cleaned with brake-cleaner and airblasting before fitting)
 
@all, you are all welcome, it's nice to know people find my post intresting/usefull

@weeman, Near the Hague, you? (ben je nederlands?)

@D1cky, The sand was laying ontop of the inletmanifold, when I removed it the sand felt down in the ports. I removed all and the car is running fine. (inlet was cleaned with brake-cleaner and airblasting before fitting)

Weird :dapprove:

How would you have sand in your inlets ?

Can't do engine an good :(
 
great work done !! it will help smoothen up the RS but will not bring loads and still all bits will help.....I did the same thing and even put a special coating in the inside (Surlon) did a RR....curvature was better in midrange area. Topend all the same.....cheers all....Even better and more gainwise is to polish the inlet the same way and asjust it and put a bigger TB (grind down the stock TB by around 3 mm. this realy is noticable in low-mid AND top...enjoy the hobby.
 
  Megane 2 GT 165
@D1CKY,

The sand wasn't in the engine, but outside on top of the inlet manifold where the manifold joins the head of the engine. When removing the sand felt down between inlet and engine(head)

Tonykart, Yeah the midrange is better and runs much smoother, top end could be the same. The map I got from Henk last weekend does its job good aswell. (ron98 fuel only) he adjusted throttle response too, even more then standard fastchip map.

Where are you located Tony?
 
Of course you need Ron98 a RS will not make power without 98 (it also says in the tankcap, people from Renault are not stupid you know ahaha) Well as quoted adjust the TB and you are realy going..I'm in Limburg...by the by
 
  Megane 2 GT 165
Cool! well I read relocating battery and straight hose to airfilter like the cup racers might make a nice change in performance, but too much work for me.

I know Renault sugest you use RON98 only but the car can easily run on RON95. Henk adjusted the map to run RON98 only so more tightly tuned for the fuel.
 
if you would do a RR with Henk software you will loose one of the peakdowns in the graph (manifold) now get rid of the second by adjusting the TB. Put in a K&N (Green or ITG) panelfilter and put a coldair hose....For the record Power must be around 190 Bhp and doing 215 Nm if you did it correctly
 
relocating the battery and the adjustment we did in racing is not for street use. We are allowed to do more in street RS. In cup racing "everything" must be stock (as delivered by RenaultSport). As we saw in an endurance race(we are alllowed to do what we want) we modified the air-intake with a stock airbox and cold-air was much better. So car runs better
 


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