suppose it depends where the car has spent the majority of its life and how well the owners have cleaned the cars and kept the arches clear of grit/dirt etc, my old flamers were spotless, i still cant decide whether to go for another ph1 or a cup, will depend on whats available when i get back from my holiday, will need to get something sharpish though cant live without a car for getting to work etc. tempted by another scoob to. no way im getting another renaultsport unless the belts have been done recently though and by somebody reputable after what happened to mine. saw what looks a nice silver ph1 on pistonheads and in the ad is says belts done by renault main dealer, i emailed him and turns out they were done 6 years ago!!!!!!!! mine snapped after 4 years. lol.