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STICKER TWONK
ClioSport Club Member
Golf GTi DSG
Not sure exactly, but youll obviously need a full roll cage and point safety harness
I dont know for sure but I would say you;
Start by stripping it.... Everything is removed from inside the car.. Glass, door panels, electric windows dash everything....
Then you need special plastic windows fit them.
Fit a roll cage..
Fit a saftey petrol tank inside the car....
fit real front seats and saftey harnesses.....
Your need to replace the suspension....
Your need wheels and tires for the surface your driving on....
Erm... trying to think of more but i bet there is lots more saftey things u have to do.
As far as suspension goes do rally cars use coilovers which just arent lowered that much or are they highly developed normal springs and dampers?
Does anyone know any rally motorsport specialists? I know you have to have a plumbed in fire extinguisher system, paddle clutch, hydraulic handbrake etc
Thanks.
STICKER TWONK
ClioSport Club Member
Golf GTi DSG
Dont Demon Tweeks have a specialist department? Or is that for track day cars?
I work part time for a team already, just not a rally one so hopefully theyll have some contacts. The main thing im worried about is preparing a car, getting sponsers etc and then finding out i was ineligible because i have fluffy dice or something..does anyone know of any rally competitions for amateurs??
Peugeot 106 Xsi 2002
BTRDA N1 winning car
3rd overall Race and Rally.Com 1400 Championship. Full weld in cage, Sparco pro 2000 seats, Luke 3" harnesses, Bilstein suspension, Superchipped, 4 as new Dunlops, Lamp pod. Spares to include engine and box, wheels, tyres, drive shafts, bottom arms, dampers, bumpers, lights etc. Ready to win!
£4,400 ono
Posn Total
O/A Cls Num Driver/Navigator Car Cls Penalty
--- --- --- ---------------- --- --- -------
1 1 1 Steve Petch/John Richardson Hyundai Accent WRC 5 52:24
2 2 5 Charlie Payne/Craig Thorley Subaru Impreza 5 52:32
3 3 4 Ryan Champion/Cliff Simmons Mitsubishi Lancer EV
5 52:56
4 4 7 Richard Watts/Christine Parling Ford Escort Cosworth
5 55:04
5 5 32 Mike Stephenson/Roy Jarvis Ford Escort Cosworth
5 55:17
6 6 10 Steve Perez/Steve Harris Mitsubishi EVO 7 5 55:21
7 7 14 Tony Thompson/Richard Myers Mitsubishi Lancer EV
5 55:45
8 1 30 Garry Jennings/Gordon Noble Peugeot 106 Gti 2 56:06
9 8 8 Jeremy Nolan/Paul Nolan Mitsubishi EVO V 5 56:11
10 9 49 John Bannister/Graham Wilcock Ford Sapphire Coswor
5 57:03
11 1 39 James Potter/Andrew Hebron Ford Escort MkII 4 57:20
12 1 56 Chris Wood/Simon Ashton Opel Astra Gsi 3 57:31
13 10 11 Donovan Jenkin/Ian Bass Ford Escort Cosworth
5 57:31
14 2 43 Andy Carter/Carl Briggs Ford Escort 3 57:32
15 11 15 Tim Mason/Captain Thompson Ford Escort Cosworth
5 57:44
16 12 33 Jack Cooke/Mike Cooke Subaru Impreza 5 58:01
17 13 53 Phil Pickard/Colin Burley Ford Escort Cosworth
5 58:19
18 14 29 Mark Winkles/Noel Waugh Mitsubishi Evo VI 5 58:26
19 15 38 Graham Coffey/Howard Pridmore Mitsubishi EVO VI 5 58:29
20 2 22 Steve Magson/Geoff Atkinson Vauxhall Astra RWD 4 58:47
21 3 21 Charlie Taylor/Steve Bielby Ford Escort 3 58:53
22 16 50 Michael Russell/Roger Burkill Subaru Impreza 5 58:56
23 2 62 Chris Moore/Richard Skinner Peugeot 206 XS 2 59:05
24 4 47 Allan McDowall/Gavin Heseltine Opel Kadett 3 59:10
25 17 24 Michael Moore/Arthur Heaton Ford Escort Cosworth
5 59:20
26 5 57 Alistair Adams/Andrew Adams Ford Escort RS 3 59:32
27 6 46 Paul Daniel/Kevin Bardon Ford Escort 3 59:47
28 7 42 Joe Price/Ian Allsop Talbot Lotus Sunbeam
3 59:59
29 3 26 Nick Cooke/Neil Colls Ford Escort MkII 4 1:00:42
30 18 34 Tom Hogan/Ian Wright Subaru Impreza 5 1:01:06
31 8 65 Trevor Silcock/Pam Silcock Vauxhall Astra GTE 3 1:01:07
32 4 41 Eddie ODonnell jnr/Eddie ODonnell Ford Escort RS 4 1:01:29
33 9 64 Robert Carr/Gavin Fielding Ford Escort MkII 3 1:01:53
34 19 35 James Sparrow/Chris Omeara Ford Escort Cosworth
5 1:02:26
35 1 73 Alan Richardson/Christopher Roe Vauxhall Nova 1 1:04:21
36 10 82 Ian Tippett/Liam OKane Peugeot 205 GTI 3 1:05:18
37 11 76 James Coates/Matthew Rowden Vauxhall Astra 3 1:05:32
38 12 75 Howard Forrester/Martin Massey Ford Escort Mk IV 3 1:05:35
39 2 63 Patrick MacArthur/Des Griffiths Peugeot 106 RALLYE
1 1:05:43
40 3 81 Iain Shirlaw/Martin Moore Vauxhall Nova Gsi 2 1:05:48
41 13 88 Mark Weller/Paul Robinson Ford Escort 3 1:06:17
42 4 77 David Gratrix/Andrew Austwick Ford Fiesta 2 1:06:26
43 3 83 Kevin Brown/Lee Rogers Vauxhall Astra 1 1:06:28
44 14 59 Adam Ellerker/Mark Ellerker Peugeot 306 S16 3 1:06:35
45 4 68 Paul Blackburn/Alexis Harper Vauxhall Corsa 1 1:07:51
46 5 71 Tom Lunn/Graeme Howard Ford Ka 1 1:09:35
47 6 85 Christopher Draycott/Stephen Peake Vauxhall Astra 1 1:11:20
48 7 87 Jon Neale/John McNichol Daihatsu Avanzato 1 1:13:03
49 15 74 Michael Curtis/David Curtis Peugeot 205 1.9GTi 3 1:13:38
50 5 79 Ian McCulloch/Rory Oliver-Hall Toyota Corrola 2 1:14:44
51 6 90 Tom Metcalfe/Kirsty Riddick Peugeot 205 2 1:15:42
Do not start out by converting your own car. Buy a prepared rally car that somebody else has spent ridiculous money on. Dont worry about the cosmetics just make sure all the bits are there and in reasonable nick. The Peugeot 206 might be a good start. Look at some of the continental Clios if you want to rally a Clio. There should be plenty of them around France. there is a French site with a bunch for sale. I think it is somehting like Alpine sport...
To prepare your own car would be very costly. It is always better to get one that someone else has prepped, at least initially. You dont need a great car to have fun on the stages. Go with something cheap until you know the ropes. You dont even have to have a Group N homologated car for national rallies.
I rallied a 911, VW GTi, and an Audi 90 quattro.
The problem with that is you have to trust the previous owner.
Surely i could cover most initial expense with sponsors?
Eddd what would you consider the basics id need?
I have driven 206 GTI a lot, prepped by Peugeout for group N. It doesnt seem that different from a road car:
Stripped,
Plumbed in fire extinguishers
Paddle Clutch
Hydraulic handbrake
straight thru
Seats and harnesses
Main cut off switch
and the usual suspension and wheel/tyre changes.
thats the thing they arnt much different from road cars but they cost more
Peugeot
Super 206 Cup Car
This car has only done 3 events from new! Professionally built and maintained. Ready to go for this years cup. Comes with 11 wheels and tyres, and a few other spares.
£19,900http://www.rallycodriver.co.uk/compcars/nandra1.jpg
Dont forget that group n rallying is showroom class, the car must still have all the original suspension, engine, gearbox, standard exhaust etc. I believe that for group n rallying the car must still have the carpets in.
Group A rallying is allowed more modifications, but is still more or less standard. If you are going to heavily modify the cars you will have to under it under one of the group B classes, these classes were banned from international rallying but are still widely seen in rallys below the BRC level.
Rob, you dont have to worry so much about the previous owner with a rally car as most of the competitors would know the history of the car. Where and when it went off the history of it and so on. You will be tearing the car apart anyway so youll know it inside out. You can be guaranteed that it has been thrashed!
The Group N cars lose their homologation after a few years and then become clubmans cars and much later historics. At the beginning it is best to get a car that is recently obsolete, especially one from a one make series when they change the up to a current model. there is often a glut of them on the market and the prices can be reasonable.
Group N can be quite expensive as the modifications are limited and the bits therefor are less robust. Whilst initially less expensive, they dont last as long. The engines for the most part do last as they cant be modified too much at all and are producing more or less stock power.
No matter what, it is cheaper to start with a prepared car than it is to go out and convert your own and amass the necessary spares package.
And even a slow car will feel fast on the stages if you are pushing...
Check out the motering news paper, loads of rally cars in the back of it. Go to rallys and find out what everyone else is running and ask loads of questions about the cars. Just remember its expencive to enter and run a car, used to cost me a fortune in parts and tyres. But its loads of fun. To save cost stick to tarmac rallys as in the forest you trash your car alot quicker and hence have to spend more on parts.
ROB......First off, expect NO income and help from sponsorship apart from possibly discounted prices. THey will not risk their money on a low exposure unknown quantity driver , especially of your age with no experience and results. SO basically your on your own.
Buy a cheap car, to get your cup up so spec, even though Grp N is showroom spec it will still cost loads.
You will need a minimum of 6 sets of wheels and tires with diff compounds and treads, FIA homologated cage, interior stays as it is, you cant remove anything, you have to keep the std glass, no plexiglass, std suspension pickup points, std suspension arrangement (and the availability for clio suspension parts that are any good is not good). Um, the box is free as long as it remains the H gate shift pattern, no dog leg boxes.....um..
You can seam weld, cut half the loom out prep would need ot removing everything from unused connectors and grommets, fire prrofing, foam fuel cell.
Thats at least another 10-15k on top of your cup price.
I cant remember/dont know a shed load more, but i would of thought you would of known the basics....
I essentially know what i need, but theres always something id forget.
The disposables like tyres arent really a problem as ill be able to source them for no cost.
I think what ill end up doing is not using a Cup, in fact it was probably me being too exicted to think about what i might damage. My mate is selling his 106 Ralleye so that will be an option.
Im worried about how to actually get involved and knowing the right people more than the car at the mo.
I remember someone on here saying there were taking their Cup rallying, who are you?!
-Rob
Ahhhh, youvejust opened a huge can of worms that you should really close as soon as possible!
If your unsure about what your gonna need to compete, you wont ever do it.
If you seriously want to compete then i can let you know exactly what it is you will need and what itll roughly cost.
I co-drive in the Ford Rallyesport KA challenge and we are leading the championship at the moment, it costs us roughly 12k to do the year. This doesnt include the car (10k) or any major offs, thats just running costs for 8 rallies.
Rallying really is brilliant but hard to get started in as it costs so much. Building a car yourself is a big no-no. To put things in perspective, it costs roughly 18k to build a KA rally car plus time and labour if you cant weld/paint/fabricate and mechanic yourself. To buy one thats done a couple of seasons costs you 10k and no hard work.
A clio cup will not be competeitive really as it has a 2 litre engine so your in with the big boys in the 2l escorts with 250hp and they can pedal them at scarey speeds!
dont want to put you off though!
