Quaife lsd

[TomRS182cup]

I was wondering if anyone has any experience with a Clio 182 or 172 with an lsd. Is it worth £1,074 on getting a quaife lsd for my 182 Cup?

 

[mx1_champ]

depends what you use the car for really ? And are you at a level were puttin the power down is becoming to be a problem ?

 

[theduck]

And isn't fitting on top of that? Which be at least half as much again

 

[Fred@BTM]

yeah great bit of kit but a great price tag!

i've fitted quite a few now, for an out and out track car i prefer gripper though (cheaper but noisey b******s!)

 

[Goodj]

I'm fairly sure there are many, many more useful things you could do with that grand than pour it into a French hatchback that doesn't need it.

 

[TomRS182cup]

depends what you use the car for really ? And are you at a level were puttin the power down is becoming to be a problem ?

Well when driving with the ESP off (which is an absolute must because it doesnt handle with it on) it lights up the tyres very easily out of corners and pushes across the road as a result.
Plus i intend to trackday the car occasionally over the next couple of years.

And isn't fitting on top of that? Which be at least half as much again

Yep fiting will be extra and i imagine very expensive.

yeah great bit of kit but a great price tag!

i've fitted quite a few now, for an out and out track car i prefer gripper though (cheaper but noisey b*****ds!)

Ha yeah it certainly isn't cheap.
If it was an out and out track toy i wouldnt mind the noise but as it is a daily driver maybe the gripper isnt such a good idea.

I'm fairly sure there are many, many more useful things you could do with that grand than pour it into a French hatchback that doesn't need it.

MAybe there are but that wasnt the question, i want to know if an lsd is a useful bit of kit to have. I am assuming you think not.

 

[theduck]

You find the ESP that obtrusive maybe tuition would be a better place to start.

 

[Goodj]

got it in one fella.
I mean, if you simply must spend a grand, go for it.
But are you not at Uni?

 

[JackJack]

You find the ESP that obtrusive maybe tuition would be a better place to start.

+1 I think you need it. There are more things to check/change before an lsd.

 

[charlesk]

A std 172/182 hasn't got the power/torque to make an LSD needed on dry tarmac. Loose surfaces/greasy conditions maybe.
A good suspension setup and a decent set off tyres would be higher up the list for me than a LSD and will give far higher benefits. After those, and with a bit more power maybe.
Your money, your car, so you make your choices.

 

[mx1_champ]

Well when driving with the ESP off (which is an absolute must because it doesnt handle with it on) it lights up the tyres very easily out of corners and pushes across the road as a result.
Plus i intend to trackday the car occasionally over the next couple of years.

no offense mate but if you cant keep a 170ish bhp from wheel spinning then its your driving thats the issue.
learn to feather the throttle and control the power your putting down, this will give you far greater benefit than any diff. Also it may be worth looking into better tyres ?

IMO.. Have a good look at your tyres quality, pressure's and the wear pattern. then learn how to enter/exit corners properly ( ie tuition)

 

[Tony Hunter]

Well when driving with the ESP off (which is an absolute must because it doesnt handle with it on)








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I read this bit and I worry.But anyway on a road car I would say no.

 

[charlesk]

I read this bit and I worry.But anyway on a road car I would say no.

I agree, the ESP on the 182 isn't that intrussive. It does point out to a different issue.

 

[mikekean]

A std 172/182 hasn't got the power/torque to make an LSD needed on dry tarmac. Loose surfaces/greasy conditions maybe.
A good suspension setup and a decent set off tyres would be higher up the list for me than a LSD and will give far higher benefits. After those, and with a bit more power maybe.
Your money, your car, so you make your choices.

I must say that is complete rubbish, an LSD would be a great improvement to even a standard 172/182. But what you have to weigh up is it worth it for road use, i sometimes use my road car for hill climbs when my rally car isnt ready etc and the thing that allways holds me back is no LSD and that was in cars like a Clio 16v with under 140hp. When i eventually find a decent enough 172 to buy for the road i will be fitting an ATB to it and it will be one of the first mods after some decent coilovers.

IMO the 172 is quick enough as standard what you need to take advantage of is what they are good at, and that going round corners, and a LSD will improve this ten fold.

 

[TomRS182cup]

no offense mate but if you cant keep a 170ish bhp from wheel spinning then its your driving thats the issue.
learn to feather the throttle and control the power your putting down, this will give you far greater benefit than any diff. Also it may be worth looking into better tyres ?

IMO.. Have a good look at your tyres quality, pressure's and the wear pattern. then learn how to enter/exit corners properly ( ie tuition)

I do know how to drive and feather the throttle is exactly what i do to prevent it lighting up the tyres BUT the fact is if you do try to exit the corner full throttle it lights the tyres up unless it is completely dry and if a lsd would allow me to have larger throttle openings out of the corner without having to feather the throttle as much i would consider this an improvement. Thats my point.

I agree, the ESP on the 182 isn't that intrussive. It does point out to a different issue.

What i mean by you cant drive it with the ESP on is, it refuses to let the rear end play meaning you can't key the front in or adjust the car on the throttle to hold the best line, then it will not let you open the throttle early enough to power out of the bend effectively. It turns a 182 Cup into a Clio.

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

If you're racing then go for it, but it seems a complete waste for a track car. It will shave a couple of seconds at most off your laptimes (which is substantial when racing) but not really worth it for track.

An LSD was never on my wishlist for my track 182, I'd rather spend the money on track days themselves.

 

[172Ben]

have you driven a car with an LSD before?

 

[mx1_champ]

I do know how to drive and feather the throttle is exactly what i do to prevent it lighting up the tyres BUT the fact is if you do try to exit the corner full throttle it lights the tyres up unless it is completely dry and if a lsd would allow me to have larger throttle openings out of the corner without having to feather the throttle as much i would consider this an improvement. Thats my point.

i fully understand what you mean.. but from what you say i take it you have little or no track experience.. which leads me to believe you drive like this on public roads ? correct me if im wrong.

Granted a lsd will always help you corner that bit quicker and get a higher exit speed.. but can you justify the 1k cost for this ? also do you have any other mods that will support this ? if you have good coiloevers a geo- setup will also help your corner speed no end. as will a decent arb

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

If you still have standard suspension on your cup then it's madness that you would want to spend 1k on an LSD for a little improvement, rather than 1k on suspension that would completely transform the handling (and I would know as I had ASTs on my 182)

 

[Goodj]

This is only going to end n another 182 being cubed

 

[charlesk]

100% with you on that.

If you still have standard suspension on your cup then it's madness that you would want to spend 1k on an LSD for a little improvement, rather than 1k on suspension that would completely transform the handling (and I would know as I had ASTs on my 182)

 

[Silent_Scone]

if the box is out then maybe a different story (maybe) but If you're after anything definitely invest in some decent suspension first

 

[SamP]

yeah great bit of kit but a great price tag!

i've fitted quite a few now, for an out and out track car i prefer gripper though (cheaper but noisey b*****ds!)

Do you know the actual service intervals specified for a gripper?

 

[Tony Hunter]

Gripper told me yearly,another reason we didn't get one.

I'm sorry but I'm not trying to bite,but finding it hard with some of his driving heroics on the road.

I'm out.

 

[Space Cadet]

An LSD is on the cards at some point, what are the differences between the Quaife and the Gripper?

My wife used to have a Mini Cooper S-Works with an LSD and that was fantastic although I never took it out on track.

Doesn’t matter how noisy it is as it’s a track car.

Thanks

 

[Goodj]

An LSD on a 'charged Mini must make one hell of a whine under load.


mmmmm, charger whine... nomnom

Must drive one and find out!

 

[Space Cadet]

An LSD on a 'charged Mini must make one hell of a whine under load.


mmmmm, charger whine... nomnom

Must drive one and find out!

I never noticed the LSD whining – not above the supercharger anyway!!

Lovely little car that, obviously side-tracking a bit but we had a new Turbo S-Works for a week when ours was being fettled and it was rubbish (IMO!!) compared to the ‘older’ supercharged version, felt more like a Golf GTI than a little over-powered Mini. Even my non-car’y wife said she didn’t like the Turbo version after driving it and she never mentions cars at all.

 

[Tony Hunter]

You will find that road cars with a diff,will be the same type as the Quaife,fit and forget.ATB type.

 

[Silent_Scone]

An LSD is on the cards at some point, what are the differences between the Quaife and the Gripper?

My wife used to have a Mini Cooper S-Works with an LSD and that was fantastic although I never took it out on track.

Doesn’t matter how noisy it is as it’s a track car.


Thanks

Quaife is fit and forget where as the grippers need to come out every so many miles

I did look into the advantages of having a gripper earlier in the year, just doesn't seem worth it unless it's an all out and out race car

 

[SamP]

Quaife and the Gripper?

A Quaife is a torsen diff where as a Gripper is a true LSD.

 

[TomRS182cup]

have you driven a car with an LSD before?

Yeah i have driven a dc2 integra before and it actually tightend its line under throttle, very impressive.

i fully understand what you mean.. but from what you say i take it you have little or no track experience.. which leads me to believe you drive like this on public roads ? correct me if im wrong.

Granted a lsd will always help you corner that bit quicker and get a higher exit speed.. but can you justify the 1k cost for this ? also do you have any other mods that will support this ? if you have good coiloevers a geo- setup will also help your corner speed no end. as will a decent arb

I have only done 4 trackdays yes, so not exactly a pro. And yes i do drive quickly when it is appropriate on the road but i dont do anything stupid and i don't push my luck. My intention is to do more trackdays now i have a suitable car.

I have asked about engine mods, got to know what i needed in that department. i then asked about suspension, got to know what i needed there and i am now asking ADVICE on an lsd. I am not going to put an lsd on a standard car contrary to poular belief i am not completley thick. I will do it in steps, when i can afford (which isnt now) probably tyres,lightweight interior, suspension/brakes, lsd, engine mods etc i just want to get all the info together ready for when i have some spare money.
Easier said than done on one of the most unfriendly forums i have ever experienced.

If you still have standard suspension on your cup then it's madness that you would want to spend 1k on an LSD for a little improvement, rather than 1k on suspension that would completely transform the handling (and I would know as I had ASTs on my 182)

Please read above

This is only going to end n another 182 being cubed

Thank you for yet another helpful comment, you clearly have issues at home, please keep them there.

Gripper told me yearly,another reason we didn't get one.

I'm sorry but I'm not trying to bite,but finding it hard with some of his driving heroics on the road.

I'm out.

Which driving heroics would they be? Please do share.

 

[tom172cup]

Get a quaife fit and forget. but look into tution too that may be a cheaper option

 

[shiftspark]

If its for competition fit one after suspension and brakes leave any engine mods until last , if it's just for trackdays I wouldn't bother just spend it on doing plenty of them.

 

[Tony Hunter]

Which driving heroics would they be? Please do share.

What i mean by you cant drive it with the ESP on is, it refuses to let the rear end play meaning you can't key the front in or adjust the car on the throttle to hold the best line, then it will not let you open the throttle early enough to power out of the bend effectively. It turns a 182 Cup into a Clio.

At no point before this had you managed anything about driving on track,so I would assume this is you driving on the road,so don't be a Bellend.
And I would still say that a LSD is not really needed,even if doing a few track days.Like everything,it all helps but the car can be moved along at a fair old pace without one.

 

[TomRS182cup]

What i mean by you cant drive it with the ESP on is, it refuses to let the rear end play meaning you can't key the front in or adjust the car on the throttle to hold the best line, then it will not let you open the throttle early enough to power out of the bend effectively. It turns a 182 Cup into a Clio.

At no point before this had you managed anything about driving on track,so I would assume this is you driving on the road,so don't be a Bellend.
And I would still say that a LSD is not really needed,even if doing a few track days.Like everything,it all helps but the car can be moved along at a fair old pace without one.

So you bought a Clio 1*2 to leave the ESP on and drive about some lovely bits of b-road at exactly 60mph, and not enjoying the corners? If so why did you bother, what a bellend you would have to be to do that.
One of the great things about the Clio is the ability to adjust the car on the throttle through a corner totally predictably and controllably at perfectly safe and low speeds its brilliant and not at all dangerous on the public road as long as the corner is well sighted and out of the way in the countryside. It is all part of enjoying owning a car like the 182.
If you’re trying to tell me you have never driven a car quickly on the road you’re a damn liar, so if you could bring yourself to step off your high horse for 10 minutes and stop jumping to the conclusion that i drift my car through corners at 90mph and out of control being a danger to other road user and remember i was asking for some polite advice from some apparent enthusiasts that would be great.
Instead i got the usual cliosport forum response of I’m a self righteous, pompous, middle age know it all who thinks anyone but them (especially younger drivers) is a total idiot and needs driver training or should buy another car as soon as mention modifying it, even though pretty much all of you have modified your cars (hypocrites) i think you should take a step back remember what this thread was originally about, leave your baggage in your head and make an attempt to answer the question politely instead of jumping to conclusions making judgments and jumping down my throat, or is that too much to ask?

 

[SamP]

Cliosports going to pot iirc. Lower classes affording 1*2's and all that. Tony's just saying it like it is, spend the money on tuition and you'll be so much faster...

 

[DanFreemanPhoto]

You got a response, in that it's not very logical to fit a diff to a standard car on track. There are many other things that can be done before that, namely the suspension. Is yours standard? Not sure if you said or not.

 

[TomRS182cup]

Cliosports going to pot iirc. Lower classes affording 1*2's and all that. Tony's just saying it like it is, spend the money on tuition and you'll be so much faster...

There goes the pompous comment, the thing is, every thread i have started asking for advice has been met with a brage of abuse, not from everyone there are some nice people on here but in the main it is just rude, uncalled for, unhelpful blunt comments.
Its not the lower classes (not that i am even close) you need to be worrying about its the judgmental, grumpy old farts already on here that is its downfall.

 

[TomRS182cup]

You got a response, in that it's not very logical to fit a diff to a standard car on track. There are many other things that can be done before that, namely the suspension. Is yours standard? Not sure if you said or not.

I did which was great but i also got a load of s**t as usual.
My car is 100% standard at the moment, as i said i just want to know what is out there and what is and isnt useful as far as engine mods, suspension, tyres, brakes, drivetrain etc are concerned so when i have the money i can make an informend decision on what to purchase. Thats why i joined the forum not for some stupid keyboard war.

 

[Gaz.]

Fact of the matter is, your driving style/suspension/tyres all need addressing first. Not an LSD.

It's a constructive comment, but you'll be defensive about it I'm sure.