Question about the timing (F4R)

[Poopensharten]

Hi guys, few questions;

I had the car booked in at RenTech in Edinburgh today for a service and a check of the timing (the belts were done in November 2011). I had my suspicions as to whether the correct timing tools were used as it didn't feel as 'urgent' as the rest of the Clio RS' I've had. Anyway, turns out when they checked it, it was out right enough. Not by much, but out all the same. Wish i got a picture now, the horse shoe(?) wouldn't line up on the non cambelt side the guy showed me.

Now here's my question, just how much is it really affected being out slightly? They still have the car and are going to rectify it on Monday which is good. (Even If it is costing me £80!) But that's not their fault, life goes on!

Also, i gather MPG would be ever so slightly affected as well? The car ran sweet as a nut btw, nothing other than my slight suspicion of it being out made me get it checked!

Cheers!

 

[Dan@SJM]

I've had a few in like that, generally 10% fuel economy increase and 15bhp on one of them

 

[Poopensharten]

Really Dan??? Even only being slightly out? The guy said it was out enough not to cause any real damage but enough to cause it to run like a pup (which it isn't?)

 

[Dan@SJM]

Yeh timing on these is critical.

 

[Fred@BTM]

few mm here or there really makes a difference

 

[Amos91]

£80 well spent then!

 

[Poopensharten]

Cheers guys! Didn't think it would affect it so much! Glad i had it checked out now!

 

[MarcB]

after 2 years of my timing being slightly out and a very very bad dephaser along with a stuffed lambda and possible injector i have spent £1000s and now fixed the lot and i feel my car is alot quicker and pulls alot better, Even the fuel gauge hardly moved now and im not filling up every few days with V-power Nitro+

 

[Poopensharten]

Jesus Marc, that's some amount of time to be running about with humped timing!

 

[MartinR]

Doesn't the group N timing tool effectivley set the timing out??

 

[MG cup]

Yes it does, dependant on which way timing is out it could work in your favour. Group n settings don't do anything for idling though.

 

[MartinR]

So there is a good way and a bad way it can be out?

In a good way slightly increase performance and a bad way is like the OP said he is having? Less urgent, s**t on fuel etc.

When resetting the timing do you not have to releive the belt of tension , correct it then re-tension?is it not bad practice to do that?

Sorry for the highjack.

 

[Poopensharten]

Not at all martin - certain the lad said the tension doesn't to be taken from the belt (i think?) as i understand it it is bad practice like you say!

 

[MG cup]

Yeah basically, a rolling road would have to be used to decide what was bad or good really, as said it does nothing for idling and you think the car is running bad which it is from a smooth running sense but goes like he'll up the revs. Even with the timing it the 'good' way it won't do anything for your MPG.

Another CS myth that you should replace a belt every time it's touched.

Edit: you should slacken both cam and inlet pulley to reset timing, nothing wrong with resetting on an old belt if the cams or cover have to come off. Makes sense to fit a new one though if its got any mileage on it (only £70 for a gates timing belt kit)

 

[Poopensharten]

I didn't know that about group n timing. The guy did comment that the belts were new when he was in about it.

That last part you said there Morgan - thats exactly what he said lol.

 

[Cupman29]

I wouldn't use a 2 year old tensioner tbh. Some are difficult to line up the notches after some use so a new tensioner is needed.

 

[MG cup]

Neither would I Steven/Stephen? as its probably seen a good few miles on it but all sorts of keich gets repeated over and over on here about belts....really gets my back up tbh.

 

[Poopensharten]

I wouldn't use a 2 year old tensioner tbh. Some are difficult to line up the notches after some use so a new tensioner is needed.

2 year old tensioner? On my car or marcs mate?

 

[MG cup]

Both really......if the 'specialist' was happy with it don't worry, you'll be fine. What Steve has said just shows there is some wear/mileage in the tensioner, there good for another how ever many years and miles yet.

 

[Cupman29]

Neither would I Steven/Stephen? as its probably seen a good few miles on it but all sorts of keich gets repeated over and over on here about belts....really gets my back up tbh.

V mate but been called worse than the other spelling.

Its been at least a couple of weeks since the last one. I was missing a good timing belt chat.

 

[Poopensharten]

It was replaced in November along with the belts so it should ​be okay!

 

[Cupman29]

2 year old tensioner? On my car or marcs mate?

Both

Both really......if the 'specialist' was happy with it don't worry, you'll be fine. What Steve has said just shows there is some wear/mileage in the tensioner, there good for another how ever many years and miles yet.

Youll be able to tell if the tensioner has had it as when you try to line up the notches, they won't if it's had it. They get so far lining up then jump past it. I'm sure they know what they are doing.

 

[MarcB]

If anyone is talking about my car all i can say is that "Everything" was done and its running like a sweet baby.
The only issue i have is that i have alittle rough idle on cold mornings.

 

[Cupman29]

It was replaced in November along with the belts so it should ​be okay!

Do you know this is 2013?

Your belts were changed in November 2011 according to you first post. Lol

 

[MG cup]

Haha nobody dissing your motor Marc, everything's kosher.

 

[Cupman29]

If anyone is talking about my car all i can say is that "Everything" was done and its running like a sweet baby.
The only issue i have is that i have alittle rough idle on cold mornings.

What was done to fix your timing issues?

 

[Poopensharten]

Duuuh i meant November 2012! What a tit! Been a long day steve lol

 

[Cupman29]

Duuuh i meant November 2012! What a tit! Been a long day steve lol

Lol, no bother Danny. Thought that but thought I'd wind you up anyway.

You should be fine as it won't have done too many miles. Try and get a pic of how much it was out just out of curiousity.

 

[MarcB]

What was done to fix your timing issues?

A £1800 bill from SWR with all belts, tensioners, rollers, Caps and what ever else i asked them with all the correct tools and all genuine renault parts

 

[Poopensharten]

And so you should! LOL.

I could kick myself for not taking a picture! I'll bell the boy on Monday morning and ask him to take a picture with the horse shoe in and without!

The oil he took out looked new as well :-/

 

[Tunst]

If I decide to keep my 182 il have to get the timing sorted.. A 164bhp clio 182 ftl

 

[Poopensharten]

Jesus mark! The guy working on my car said it is fairly common, thats frightening TBH!

 

[MarcB]

Danny take into account that I did get spike load of other work done also.
New drive shafts.
TDC ssensor and a s**t load more.

im going to total my invoices up in after the cars back in next week

 

[Cupman29]

A £1800 bill from SWR with all belts, tensioners, rollers, Caps and what ever else i asked them with all the correct tools and all genuine renault parts

Thats my point, they never used a 2 year old tensioner to fix your timing being out.

Impressive amount of work and spend that. Your car I'd definitely a keeper then!

 

[p@blo]

A £1800 bill from SWR with all belts, tensioners, rollers, Caps and what ever else i asked them with all the correct tools and all genuine renault parts

£1800 just to renew the timing gear and refit?

 

[MicKPM]

That's it, I'm upping my prices!

 

[M26]

Sell me it.

 

[MG cup]

£1800 just to renew the timing gear and refit?

Come on now, use those things on the front of your face

From what I've seen Marc's got car OCD so it probably had a front end rebuild basically for that price.

 

[MarcB]

£1800 just to renew the timing gear and refit?

Timing Belt
Accessory Belt
Dephaser Pully
TDC Sensor Kit
N/S/F Drive Shaft
O/S/F Drive Shaft
ABS Sensors (Both Front)
Rear ABS Sensor
Gear Box Oil Change
Gear Box Seal Kit (Not Fitted As Of Yet As Waiting On Yanoo Kit)Oil Filter & Oil Change
Forge Coolant Hose Kit & Coolant Change
Coolant ThermostatCoolant Temp Sensor
Bottom ball joints (Non OE)
Track rod ends
4 wheel alignment

Then went back in to get alot of work done on the brakes with new discs, Pads, Calipers, Sliders, Bolts and Carriers, Lambda, injectors and tracking again.

Going back in next weekend to get a full service, CAT fitting kit & clamp fitted and the Yanoo stiff shift also.

 

[Poopensharten]

Sell me it.

Soon my boy, soon