Question about the timing (F4R)

[p@blo]

Makes sense now lol. Just Mark Fish on those sort of rates iirc

 

[Poopensharten]

Jesus marc, that Trophy must owe you a fortune!

 

[MarcB]

Jesus marc, that Trophy must owe you a fortune!

On the Invoices I have for work carried out I have a grand total of £3224.63

On parts I have bought I have spent £3739.21. This does not include any parts bought via cliosport, clio trophy or eBay.

This does not include the buying of the car, tax, insurance or petrol

 

[Cupman29]

On the Invoices I have for work carried out I have a grand total of £3224.63

On parts I have bought I have spent £3739.21. This does not include any parts bought via cliosport, clio trophy or eBay.

This does not include the buying of the car, tax, insurance or petrol

Must be a keeper then!

 

[MarcB]

Must be a keeper then!

Everything is for sale at the right price.

As i say i am glad that my Dephaser & Timing have been done with the correct tools and parts.

I have really noticed a large difference since its all been done.

As for the amount of money spent the car is back in on Sat morning for more work and if i was to add up all my spare parts down the shed i hate to think how much it comes too (Alloys, Spare Sachs, Headlights and all sorts)

 

[Poopensharten]

Sorted - its almost transformed the car now! Such a better drive!

 

[Adamm.]

Quick question, my timing was slightly out iirc, it was also mapped while the timing was out.

Would it really need to be remapped? Or should it be ok? I don't mind the performance more just don't want it being damaged.

 

[Poopensharten]

I'm unsure Adam mate - the tech told me they reset the ecu to what it was (incase it had been played with?) at least i think thats what he said!

I'm sure Fred/Chip/Dan will answer your question!

 

[MG cup]

What did it make on the rollers?

 

[Adamm.]

185 just before I had the belts done but haven't had a run after.

It was mapped by rstuning, this thread is my car now..

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?560585-Poor-RR-result-could-these-plugs-be-the-cause

Edit - it got 169 on rstuning rollers :S. I know the plugs were changed too.

Only thing I notice is that it is a bit thirsty perhaps.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Yes the map will be wrong. It shouldn't have been mapped with the timing out tbh.

 

[Adamm.]

Balls, more money then . Can the ecu just be reset without going on rollers?

I'll need to go about the cheapest way possible of getting it sorted.

 

[MG cup]

Not the worst figures and tbh the timing being out slightly isn't going to do much in most cases, 5 degrees the wrong way and it might have adverse affects, but then it might not.

 

[Adamm.]

Iirc it was only out a tiny tiny amount, Mick done the belts and iirc the shoe did slot in it just a bit more fiddly than what it usually would be.

I'd ask him but he has probably done so many he won't remember.

I was just going to leave it, saw this thread and thought I'd ask the question now I'm unsure. I'm at 519 tomorrow so I'll see what he thinks too.

 

[MicKPM]

I remember every job Adam ;-)

Power down can be due to a few things though.

 

[Adamm.]

Lol cheers mick, without putting it on a RR I wont really know the true power for sure. It performs okay so I'll just leave it I think.

Flat is priority now .

 

[MicKPM]

I thought it went on the RSt dyno recently? I would be interested to know whats occured though as it had a new H02 in March and was doing decent MPG so has anything changed?

 

[Adamm.]

No nothings changed mate, mpg is fine tbh, on a run to bedford today I got 36mpg and that included a few blasts and a bit of CC at 70-80. I only get 26 driving to work and back through the week, must be my heavy foot and the fact its stop start short distance so gives me the impression economy is crap lol.

Was on RStuning rollers in 2011 lol. but when I had the belts done by you the timing was slightly out iirc? This would probably mean it was mapped while the timing was out. My main concern was if that would be much of an issue or not.

 

[MicKPM]

Ah right, I'm sat here panicking you reet b*****d lolz

Yes the notes for the car do show the timing was quite wrong and we checked it shortly after (when it had the u/s H02) which showed everything was okay still.

 

[Adamm.]

My worrying is worrying others haha, I'll shut up and stop worrying now .

Like I say it does perform well so i'll just leave it as it is now.

 

[Craigie-B]

Mine was meant to have been done my rentech last november, just a bit concerned itll be out now - might explain my poor mpg

 

[Djw John]

Rentec in Portsmouth? Don't worry it'll be right.

 

[Craigie-B]

Cool

 

[jinjur]

Sorry to pounce on a thread.......my timing was done by Renault (dont say it) a couple of years ago and back then the car felt different afterwards. I did send it back telling them this and they apparently checked it and said it was fine.

I am paranoid about the work they did now though.

Tell me this......so to check or re-adjust the timing if required is less of a job seemingly than doing the whole job.

Is it just a case of:

a.) having the correct and not cheap timing tools
b.) locking the crank
c.) pulling the caps
d.) trying to fit the horse shoe
e.) if it doesnt fit, loosen the cam pulley bolts without touching the tension
f.) adjust till its correct
g.) tighten the cam pulley bolts
h.) remove the crank pin
i.) refit the cam plugs

?

A

 

[mark123]

Checking is a quick job with the tools, or even without if it is significantly out it is obvious to the eye.

I don't think you can get away with loosening the dephaser pulley once the engine has been run as you will get oil under the bolt head and it will slip. The chamber the bolt head sits in is full of oil when the engine is running.

 

[jinjur]

^^ see this.....thats my problem.

Renault didnt change the dephaser.....granted, i didnt ask......but surely that would be a problem for their work too

 

[mark123]

You can loosen it to set the timing without changing it. But after loosening, you need to remove the dephaser to clean the oil away so you can retighten the bolt.

But AFAIK Renault don't even loosen the cam pulleys for a simple belt change. Their pdf says just undo the crank pulley unless you need to remove one of the cam pulleys to do something else e.g. dephaser.

Just get it checked if you are worried, it is probably fine if Renault did it.

 

[jinjur]

You can loosen it to set the timing without changing it. But after loosening, you need to remove the dephaser to clean the oil away so you can retighten the bolt.

But AFAIK Renault don't even loosen the cam pulleys for a simple belt change. Their pdf says just undo the crank pulley unless you need to remove one of the cam pulleys to do something else e.g. dephaser.

Just get it checked if you are worried, it is probably fine if Renault did it.

Will do bud.....dont get me wrong, it goes like f so i dont have any cause for concern really

Just all this talk makes me paranoid.

fkn french cars

J

 

[Cupman29]

If it goes like F just leave it or check with the horse shoe at TDC with the crank pin in.

 

[jinjur]

If it goes like F just leave it or check with the horse shoe at TDC with the crank pin in.

^ Plan.

Cheers buster

 

[scotty10]

jesus this thread has got me thinking about my timing because the 5k kick is pants and i dont have that "urgent" feeling

i had my belts done 9 month ago at kenny browns in hillington glasgow and he is ment to be good

maybe im wrong but for £70 to get it checked i will feel better

 

[davo172]

jesus this thread has got me thinking about my timing because the 5k kick is pants and i dont have that "urgent" feeling

i had my belts done 9 month ago at kenny browns in hillington glasgow and he is ment to be good

maybe im wrong but for £70 to get it checked i will feel better

FLOL at this forum just as cliosport gets over DEPHASER PANIC !
All of a sudden everbody seems to think that just because there car isn't pulling like it should there timing must be out !
Don't forget how old 1*2's are now could be anyone of a number of things other than timing !

 

[Poopensharten]

The age of the engine has nothing to do with the performance though, if the engines been serviced as when required it should still make decent figures - it seems to be common that the engines improve with mileage.

 

[scotty10]

LOL at the dephaser thing oh hold on a minute i never got the water pump changed how will that effect bhp pmsl

 

[montana]

Don't forget you MUST use a specialist , as no decent mechanic can be trusted or has to necessary level of skill to set the timing on a Clio ! Haha

 

[MartinR]

I better get mine checked. !!!!!

 

[Poopensharten]

Don't forget you MUST use a specialist , as no decent mechanic can be trusted or has to necessary level of skill to set the timing on a Clio ! Haha

The guy i bought mine from assured me that the garage used the correct timing tools - which they did. But curiously enough, they still managed to f**k the timing up. Food for thought.

 

[davo172]

The age of the engine has nothing to do with the performance though, if the engines been serviced as when required it should still make decent figures - it seems to be common that the engines improve with mileage.

Correct ^^ but would put money on it the 70% of them have not been , most will have had 6 plus owners by now and just because you or the last owner did look after it the previous ones may not of done ! the price people think these cars are now worth tells you how likely it is they will have poor service history if any ! parts used over the years may be cheap non gen a combination of lots of things can cause them to feel like somethings wrong may not be timing , lot of placebo in this imo.

 

[MG cup]

Surely putting your car on a rolling road is a better idea in these suspected timing cases, covers more bases no? And you get a power figure if everything's rosey.

I do have to laugh at the general impression off timing belts on CS, the traders are lucky to have so many people who believe what they do.

 

[MartinR]

Yup CS and belts is great.