172, Tiguan
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Hey I have a brilliant idea !
I dont think this has ever been thought of before ?
By a brand new car like a 182 for £14 grand then strip out £7k worth of trim, and stuff it all in the back of your garage to get mouldy and damp.
Its a shame we cant ask Renault to leave various bits on the assembly line when placing our order.
If God had meant us to go so fast, he would have given us airline tickets.
Rich-D
ClioSport Club Member
E90 LCI 330d
Well, the 182 is most likely heavier than a mk2 172, so going off the fact that the Cup has an extra 13bhp per tonne more than a mk2, then even if the 182 weighed the same as a mk2 it would still be down on the Cup in terms of power-to-weight ratio!
With regard to the torque of the 182, it may still be the same peak of 200Nm, but it peaks lower down the rev range and is meant to have more low end grunt generally.
However, if you look at the difference between the cars we rolling roaded there can be a big difference in seemingly similar cars.
Bet mine is still more torquey than a 182
Rich-D
ClioSport Club Member
E90 LCI 330d
But gaining other stuff, so swings & roundabouts...
The original mk2 weighed 1110kg, which is what Im basing this on, but since then it has gained ESP and cruise control which would add more weight. The 182 still gets these, plus things like an air-condiditioned glove box, wider tyres, etc... which also add weight, then God knows what else theyve tweaked./added which will all alter the weight.
Removing the spare may well bring the weight back down to neaerer the weight of the original mk2 172s but its not gonna be a lightweight model.
Astra 1.9cdti XP
The 182 is the same weight as the 172 it says so in black and white. 1110kgs!!
zedx19
ClioSport Club Member
Golf GTi DSG
Whats the point in a air conditioned glovebox????? If I wanted a fridge in my car Id buy a motorhome not a Clio!!!
Quote figures all day long, wait till it comes out then organise a track day and pit it against the mk1/mk2 172s, Cup, valvers and Willys of the world and see how it performs
Rich-D
ClioSport Club Member
E90 LCI 330d
But is this a hot hatch, or a luxury car?!
IMO theres no need for stuff like air-conditioned gloveboxs or cruise control, etc... on hot hatch, and theyre just cramming everything in there now!
Fair enough, stuff like leather, aircon, etc... is fine, no probs there, but some of this stuff is OTT
As far as I am concerned, I have just ordered a 182 with the cup suspension and spoilers for £12500 + £187 + £140 which is cheaper than the RRP of the Cup and will have both the speed, all the toys and the Cups handling, so everything rolled in to one for a price which is less than the Cup, wheres the problem.
Yes it may be a fraction 0-62 slower than a cup but will look better with twin exhaust, (no need to break manufacturers warranty to change car) have all the luxury of a 172 + some and will perform at track days just as good as a Cup with a good driver behind the wheel versus a medioche cup driver (which I am sure there are some !!!).
It has the whole package. There is only one reason to buy the Cup and that is a lack of Cash, and if you find the right supplier then that isnt a problem as I have found!
This argument will go on for ever but a car is only as good as its driver.
Other cars which are stripped out and modified for Trackdays (BMW CSL and Ferrari Stradale to name 2) cost a lot more for their racing breed, the Cup on the other hand was reduced in price to get people who couldnt afford the 172 to buy a hot clio a the difference in performance is so little you are basically buying a lightened clio and different chassis (which the 182 now has an option!). The easiest way to get the cost down was to remove all the luxury and toys which in turn made the car lighter.
This is only my opinion and as I said, this argument will never end, there will always be 172/182 people and Cuppers!
No, what your saying is people with cups cant afford a the luxury of a 172, Correct.
I think you will find that people on this forum have bought cups because of the car, not the lack of cash. Like you say you can get the 172/182 for roughly the same money as a cup. Think about it!!!
