replacing 1.2 16v d4f for newer 1.2 16v d4f...

[Spinksy]

as some of you will have heard my engine died and I sourced a replacement cheap with low miles from a 2006 reg clio campus. I have removed my engine and noticed other than the odd cosmetic changes I can't find where certain bits go... (ecu, coilpack etc)

I was then told by my friend who is a mechanic when he popped round after work when I had both engines side by side that some of the sensors attached to the newer engine are different (look the same to me :S)

what were the changes to the newer d4f that were made? and would I still be able to fit this newer version to my gearbox, (gearbox still being in the car I ran out of time before it got dark to compare bolt patterns...)

did search and there seems to be no mention of someone changing the d4f and encountering this.



thanks

 

[Bluebeard]

Just strip it down to a bare block, clean it and paint it silver, fit all your parts on it. Bobs your monkhouse.

 

[len_beach]

As Daniel-San said, swap all of your ancillaries over and all will be well. A D4f is a D4f, if it was that different then it would be something else.

No disrespect to your mate but I find a lot of mechanics don't know a huge amount about the specifics of a model/car.

 

[Spinksy]

Just strip it down to a bare block, clean it and paint it silver, fit all your parts on it. Bobs your monkhouse.

Thank you, hopefully by tonight Bob will indeed by my monkhouse lol

As Daniel-San said, swap all of your ancillaries over and all will be well. A D4f is a D4f, if it was that different then it would be something else.

No disrespect to your mate but I find a lot of mechanics don't know a huge amount about the specifics of a model/car.

I figured it should be the same but after looking couldn't find where to put my ecu (even once stripped back) without swapping my rocker cover etc over but I prefer the new one tbh (any ideas?)

I'll have another look today while its light and hope that I can get it sorted and running,

cheers guys

 

[Rubicon_]

Just sell the new engine and buy an f4r, job done...

 

[Spinksy]

Just sell the new engine and buy an f4r, job done...

It is an f4r... I just need to change the rocker cover over, and change the sump over then we are cooking with gas

 

[Martin_172]

They use a different inlet manifold, throttle body, rocker cover and im possitive a different ecu i recon you could be asking for trouble with that swap but itz worth a try while your there i suppose!

 

[Spinksy]

They use a different inlet manifold, throttle body, rocker cover and im possitive a different ecu i recon you could be asking for trouble with that swap but itz worth a try while your there i suppose!

I know but should be alreet, just hoping it goes to plan (as it never does)

 

[Thrill]

Spinsky, I have the later version of the D4F where the airbox is different. It's a huge airbox that's part of the plastic cover. Throttle body is on the top right of the engine (easily accessible). Mines like end of 2004, so it was nearly time for the Campus.

 

[Martin_172]

it was 2004 they changed them with the facelift, although there are 53 plate facelifts with the older engine!

apparently the newer engine is better, I don't like either of them lol!!

 

[Thrill]

Ah I see! My 03 plate Dynamique had the older engine with the 'normal airbox', my 54 plate like I said has the large airbox that's incorporated into the plastic engine cover. The throttle body is more accessible and the ECU is different (I think). Someone mentioned it doesn't 'eat through the ECU wires' so I guess it's a different/newer ECU. I think they was on crack when they we're making Clio's!

 

[Spinksy]

Ah I see! My 03 plate Dynamique had the older engine with the 'normal airbox', my 54 plate like I said has the large airbox that's incorporated into the plastic engine cover. The throttle body is more accessible and the ECU is different (I think). Someone mentioned it doesn't 'eat through the ECU wires' so I guess it's a different/newer ECU. I think they was on crack when they we're making Clio's!

Lol at luke!

I think tbh they changed it pretty often, mine has the airbox as part of the rocker cover similar to yours luke but the throttlebody and ecu are both incorporated into that same rocker cover...

Then it appears they changed it to a seperate airbox, then back to the large airbox for yours, then the campus airbox is seperate again!

 

[Thrill]

Lol at luke!

I think tbh they changed it pretty often, mine has the airbox as part of the rocker cover similar to yours luke but the throttlebody and ecu are both incorporated into that same rocker cover...

Then it appears they changed it to a seperate airbox, then back to the large airbox for yours, then the campus airbox is seperate again!

Mine also has a dodgy oil filter too! Just makes it hard finding parts by reg, as mine seems to share some characteristics from the 2005 model. I need a 2005 air filter, rather than a 54 plate one. We'll be able to compare engines when I come to yours!

 

[Martin_172]

There should only be 2 different engines. Pre pre 04 plate with grey engine cover and airbox with air feed to the right of the engine and then 04 onwords with black engine cover and airbox is part of that engine cover, air feed goes in at an angle near the middle of the engine.

Then theres the d4ft turbo lump

 

[Spinksy]

There should only be 2 different engines. Pre pre 04 plate with grey engine cover and airbox with air feed to the right of the engine and then 04 onwords with black engine cover and airbox is part of that engine cover, air feed goes in at an angle near the middle of the engine.

Then theres the d4ft turbo lump

Mines an 02 matey so it must have been swapped previous to me having the car then... Because mine is where the airbox is part of the rocker cover

 

[Spinksy]

Note for anyone planning on doing this:

Do not get a different looking D4F to the one you have in your car unless you plan on changing the head aswell (they are different in a way that means you can't use an older rocker cover, so can't use your old ECU etc)!!

Meaning I can't use this engine because it is the head that is fooked on mine...

 

[Craigie-B]

I wanted to go from D7F to D4F T on my gf's mk1 but probably too much work

 

[Martin_172]

so your running one of these on an 02 plate car?!...

rather than one of these which all cars before 04 plate should have...

 

[Spinksy]

so your running one of these on an 02 plate car?!...

rather than one of these which all cars before 04 plate should have...
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No I am running that one minus the cover but the airbox is part of the rocker cover...

With the throttle body also attached to the cover...

 

[Jay.S]

Note for anyone planning on doing this:

Do not get a different looking D4F to the one you have in your car unless you plan on changing the head aswell (they are different in a way that means you can't use an older rocker cover, so can't use your old ECU etc)!!

Meaning I can't use this engine because it is the head that is fooked on mine...

Didn't your head gasket go?

So instead of taking the head of and replacing the gasket on your own engine, you have now bought and swapped one over which is wrong and now a heads change anyway.

Strange logic. A head gasket swap and head skim surely would of been cheaper and a lot quicker.

 

[Heez]

Strange logic.

Standard CS.

 

[Martin_172]

No I am running that one minus the cover but the airbox is part of the rocker cover...

With the throttle body also attached to the cover...

I see what you mean, the airbox is removable on this one its not part of the rocker cover just bolts onto it/inlet manifold cant remember years since ive worked on one.

on the later engines the airbox is part of the engine cover and all comes off in one go

EDIT: curious how much digging you done to see if it was deffo the head gasket that failed on your engine never saw one go on one of these before?

 

[Spinksy]

Didn't your head gasket go?

So instead of taking the head of and replacing the gasket on your own engine, you have now bought and swapped one over which is wrong and now a heads change anyway.

Strange logic. A head gasket swap and head skim surely would of been cheaper and a lot quicker.

Standard CS.

No, my posts may not have been clear enough but originally I was given the newer engine (which would have required me to swap the heads round), but I had that one taken back and the correct one delivered this morning....

Note for anyone planning on doing this:

Do not get a different looking D4F to the one you have in your car unless you plan on changing the head aswell (they are different in a way that means you can't use an older rocker cover, so can't use your old ECU etc)!!

Meaning I can't use this engine because it is the head that is fooked on mine...

also as a side note I paid £100 quid for this engine and nothing else (had to buy the service parts for my engine anyway, and the belts are due in august (same time mine were due)

so £100 plus service parts = cheaper than head gasket, skimmed head, and welding that crack up which wouldn't last anyway :/

I see what you mean, the airbox is removable on this one its not part of the rocker cover just bolts onto it/inlet manifold cant remember years since ive worked on one.

on the later engines the airbox is part of the engine cover and all comes off in one go

EDIT: curious how much digging you done to see if it was deffo the head gasket that failed on your engine never saw one go on one of these before?

enough digging lol (also confirmed it when I stripped my block down)

There was lots of oil in the header tank, cream coloured foam spewing out of the oil filler cap and a loud cracking noise where it cracked the head itself... (I'd show pics but my old engine has gone)





oh... and I can genuinely say, I have removed my engine, stripped it bare, fitted the useable bits to a bare engine, and then fitted said new engine completely on my own with no help from a garage etc (my mate mentioned above just helped me confirm the difference in engines)