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Right... come on experts. Help me please.



  172cup
When i had my car in at the garage ages ago, i had a diagnostic ran on it, which came back as saying the throttle position sensor circuit was faulty.

The mechanic (a good guy) said that it would only normally effect the cold starting of the car. I explained that i have no problems, and ignored it. There was no effect to the way the car drove or anything.

Quite a good while after that, i bought a full prospeed system and janspeed decat (with twin ports for lamda sensors). The guy i had the decat off had plugged the second port (after the cat) and said it stopped the light coming on. When i fitted it, i actually put both lamda sensors in.... and nothing came on. Drove fine, sounded ace, no gain in power however.

Anyway... about 10,000miles later i was driving quite hard and the engine management light came on (the small square box with cosine waves inside it) and went into 'limp home mode'. After turning the engine on & off again it reset itself, and drove lumpy as hell. When it come on shortly afterwards again... it also brought the emmisions light on.

It went away for a few months, but came back with a vengence. It always done it when you went on cam (hitting the 4k rpm). Now the emmissions light is on permenantly, and drives like a bag of shite as soon as you hit 4k.

Sometimes it controls the revs for me, and is as if someone is pulsing the pedal for me (reving freely between 2k and 4k continuously).

So i took it to the garage for a diagnostics again which brought up two faults.

1. was the same fault as before - throttle position sensor circuit
2. was second lamda sensor after the cat (which would be due to it being connected to a decat)

Anyway, guy at the garage said i most possibly need an entire new throttle body as it is an electronic pedal and everything is build in to the control module within the throttle body... and is going to cost an absolute fortune.

I don't want to have to do this as ive just spent £1200 getting a new subframe, antiroll bar, wishbone, discs, pads etc... and on top of that its due its 72k cambelt service!!

The lamda sensor is still plugged in to the decat pipe, and obviously considered plugging it off... but he seems more certain its the throttle body controls. Only thing i keep thinking is... if that warning was showing on the diagnostic before... why didn't that screw the way it drives back then? Surely it must be down to the decat (hopefully).

We've tried to reset the ECU and such, but as soon as you hit 4k again it screws it right back again.

If you drive with the foot to the floor, it drives fine (a little down on power if anything), however if you whats to sit at a constant speed above the 4k rpm (say 90mph) then it caughs and splutters massively to the point where it is undriveable.

What do you guys recon??
 
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  V70 d5 beast
from what i can tell it could be like an internal electrical fault with the throttle pedal assembley....as they are fly by wires now so thats what i recokn it could be as we've had one before with the same fault and his was a 182..

but anyone else like to query this aswell?
 
  172 cup,s2 rs turbo
unplug that 2nd lambda sensor its only in place for obd cat testing. for some reason that doesnt make sense if you unplug it the fault code clears. there is a potentiometer on the throttle pedal and the throttle body. Make sure the garage have identified which potentiometer the fault code refers to so to prevent wasting money
 
  172cup
not the electrics within the throttle body?? there is a pack that communicates to the ECU (apparently)... thought that would have been a part of it.

-gonna start by removing the 2nd lamda sensor,

-then have a look at the potentiometers under the pedal assembly

-then try taking the carb off and cleaning

good start???
 
not the electrics within the throttle body?? there is a pack that communicates to the ECU (apparently)... thought that would have been a part of it.

-gonna start by removing the 2nd lamda sensor,

-then have a look at the potentiometers under the pedal assembly

-then try taking the carb off and cleaning

good start???

It might be the electrics most of the time you can clean them up and fix them though.
 
  Ktec'd 1.2 16v Sport
Did you get this sorted as mine is in garge awaiting diagnostics results. same prob with no throttle response and reving between 2-4,000, then it dies to about 500rpm and crawls at 5mph. Rac came up with throttle angle sensor fault 0167.
let me know how it went please and how much it cost!!!!!:eek: Cheers
 
  172cup
hello mate.... i simply unplugged the 2nd llamda sensor (leaving the sensor plugging the hole) and put a new sensor on the end connector... and cable tied it up out of the way. This solved all the problems.

All the problems were caused by the faulty sensor (but i also only wanted 1 sensor in place as it is a decat)

You shouldn't have to wait for diagnostic results mate... the scanner should bring up a list of faults instantly.

As mentioned above... i got a long list of faults... but once the ecu recognised the new llamda sensor... all faults went away :)
 
  M2 Competition
This is exactly what happened to my car two weeks ago mate!!

Same fault codes came up on the ecu clip computer and everything.

Throttle body needed cleaning in the end, was gunked up, cost me £60 at superb renault garage near me.
 
  Ktec'd 1.2 16v Sport
it's more a case of waiting for Renault to see to the car than waiting for results(my fault there!)
I dropped it off Tues morn and they said so busy might get round to it tomoro!!

Is throttle body something I could do myself or is it a Complicated thing? (is it worth it for £60)
 
  Ktec'd 1.2 16v Sport
Renault came back with oxygen sensor faulty. £213 to replace it and cannot guarantee that this is to solve it as until sensor is done can't say if there is not more faults!!!
told them to unwire it and i'll drive it elsewhere. also they cant give me what fault codes they got from diagnostics! (anyone can potshot a lambda sensor then add stuff to it)
Evans halshaws at Cannon Park Middlesbrough F**King Bast**ds!
 
  Volvo S60 T5
I recon it needs a new Throttle body or the wiring to the throttle body-ECU checked.
Done a few 172's with this sort of problem, it may just be the throttle pedal but I doubt it.
Its also worth checking the engine fuse box wiring as this can also cause this sort of problem.
The level 1 warning light means more than just the downstream oxygen sensor.
£213 for a downstrean sensor, robbing b******s!!!

For proper diagnostics it would need to go on a Clip system with someone that knows what they are doing.

I keep a throttle body and pedal in for test purposes as well as many other sensors.
 
  Ktec'd 1.2 16v Sport
Cheers Mike, as I said in my other thread Teesside a long way to push a clio to Pompey. But your help and opinion is always well appreciated.
Many thanks Dale :cheers:
 
  Ktec'd 1.2 16v Sport
Been to Allans Auto Electrics in Redcar, He did full diagnostic and came up with several faults. Fitted Lambda sensor (pre-cat) £25 (I supplied sensor £45) and reset system and retseted £35. £60 in total +vat.
1 fault came back up which was throttle valve tv control unit fault.
he has said could be:
1.relay £18
2.pedal £60
3.wiring (£time)
4.Throttle body $400!!!
labour £25 per hour

Car running fine though at mo so hoping all is well.(dont speak too soon!!!:quiet:)

P.s Evans Halshaw lost my engine cover and are refusing to claim responsibilty. they say new one is only £11.75 +vat. I said they owe me one, Let's see!!!
 
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