RSR or DZ03G?

[M.C..]

need to get me some tyres for my clio, the car is mainly a track car but it will be used to drive to and from the track and possibly the odd Sunday blast.
I have always thought I would get some RSR's as they seem like a bargain, and they can be used in the wet as I don't want to be taking two sets of wheels with me.
I can get the RSR (205/50/15) for about £70 per corner fitted or the Dunlops for about £125
are the Dunlops worth £200 more
I am only doing track days for fun and not trying to set a lap records?

 

[BIGASH]

Dunlops are the best possible road legal tyre in the dry but are w**k in the wet. Rsr's are a good all rounder but won't last too long of its fully dry and you are pushing on.

Personally I would go with a set of R888's as they are great in the wet and very good in the dry

 

[Adam G]

Are you getting RSRs and R1Rs mixed up James?
Whilst I'd agree about 888s, RSRs offer a lot of the same all round capabilities, for a fraction of the cost of 888s and for road use, you'd really be pushing too hard to feel the difference.
Personally I wouldn't bother buying any kind of track tyre, for this time of year apart from Toyo R1Rs.

 

[BIGASH]

My comments were aimed at track performance not road sorry if I wasn't clear

No I do mean the federal RSR as in the dry they will wear quicker than other more slick orientated track tyres.

 

[Adam G]

Ah ok, I read as how I used to be - driving to track, have a blast and drive back. Therefore RSRs are plenty good enough, performance wise and keep your costs down but 888s are better IMO. Racing head says buy the best you can afford of course.

Edit: I think RSRs last far better on a softer setup car. Couldn't fault them on mine for the price, they did quite a few k on the road and about 4 or 5 track days.

 

[M.C..]

If Dunlops are really that bad in the wet it is going to rule them out, no point paying money for a track day and get there and it is p**sing it down just going to spoil the day.

The car is on standard shocks but going to put cooksport springs on (can't afford coilovers yet) and possibly a PMS strutbrace and a Whiteline ARB, I don't mind them wearing a bit quicker as they can be replaced more often seeing as they are almost half the price, as long as I could get 3-4 track days out of them I would be happy.
How much camber was you running with the RSR Adam?

£155 for 888's from mytyres that's getting expensive

 

[Adam G]

I'm on cup shocks, sportlines and a Whiteline and found them fine. I run about 2.5deg. They do wear a bit on the edges and I know that Chip thinks that 3+ seems to cure that. The only really bad wear I suffered was at Mallory, so unfortunately that won't be a problem for a while. If I was just doing trackdays, I would stick with them. I use the R1Rs for road and wets and just used to put on which I thought I would need the day before my trackday.
However I do have DZ03s now and you can tell the difference.

 

[Tony Hunter]

If it's cold and damp/wet, Direzza's will kill you.

 

[M.C..]

If it's cold and damp/wet, Direzza's will kill you.

Pretty much all the time in this country then lol
I think I will get some RSR's and learn the car with them and save a bit of money.

 

[underdog]

just dragging this back up as i wondered how much better are the dunlops over 595 rsr? federal 595 rsr is the first and only track tyres iv used so have no experiance of any others like 888 or dgo3 ect.
has any one tried the 2 on the same track (fed and dunlop) and timed their laps to see how much slower the federals are? is it a subtle difference or very noticeable? thank you

 

[Tony Hunter]

Unless you're qualifying or racing, who care about times.
So many more factors to throw in, so it's not just a case of a tyre swap.

 

[underdog]

Unless you're qualifying or racing, who care about times.
So many more factors to throw in, so it's not just a case of a tyre swap.

obviously i care or i wouldnt have asked the question?just because i dont race doesnt mean i cant keep track of lap times. i cant afford to race but i have a group of mates who all track day and we compete amongst ourselves on lap times. its just fun and banter but we enjoy it.

what are the other factors?

 

[Ph1 Tom]

I've run both. DZ03G H1 (hard compound) take longer to get heat into although the treadwear was the same on both they seem harder and last a bit longer. They don't need as much camber as the RSR.

In the dry, grip wise the DZ03G are very good and have a really stiff sidewall. RSR are good too but go off a little quicker and don't quite have the same level of grip. In the damp RSR are very good for a semi slick, really inspire confidence whereas the DZ03G gave me a bad lockup and a spin. It might have been a different story if the DZ03G had been softer.

But because I drive my car to and from the track and price is a big factor its RSR for me. They might not be the best, but for the money they're the best all rounder.

 

[Tony Hunter]

obviously i care or i wouldnt have asked the question?just because i dont race doesnt mean i cant keep track of lap times. i cant afford to race but i have a group of mates who all track day and we compete amongst ourselves on lap times. its just fun and banter but we enjoy it.

what are the other factors?

Suspension and set up, to name two. Anyway, keep your hair on.

 

[underdog]

Suspension and set up, to name two. Anyway, keep your hair on.

To be fair your previous reply was a waste of your time and my time reading it so what do you expect me to say.if you cant be helpful dont bother replyig

 

[Steve]

Tony kids for you :rasp:

Rsr best all round cheap tyre I have used only remove for couple of months as if snows don't go anywhere. Been using these for 4 years.

Dz03g dry day you can bang lap after lap till you get bored.

888's went off these after destroying one in 3 hours at Donington evening session, car sounds like a land rover on rumble strip.

Nangkang Ns2R will be where i go next getting good reviews.

 

[Chip-mk1]

RSR + those dunlops or a set of pilot sport cups is the ideal combination IMHO


Drive there on the RSR, and use them unless its very dry, in which case fit the dunlop/pilot sports


Thats what we now use, and barely bother with 888 or A048



You CANNOT do it all wet and dry on one set of tyres is my experience, all the all rounder ones like RSR are too far off the pace of the dedicated dry tyres.

The only one that comes close is the 888, but they are only good in the wet briefly while fairly new, once they are half worn they start getting pretty poor (which happens after a lot less miles than the rsr) and if you do down that route you end up constantly buying new 888 which works out a lot dearer than having two sets of tyres.

 

[Tony Hunter]

To be fair your previous reply was a waste of your time and my time reading it so what do you expect me to say.if you cant be helpful dont bother replyig

Funny that, every trackday I've been to don't allow timing, so you must be special.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Funny that, every trackday I've been to don't allow timing, so you must be special.

They all allow datalogging and videoing.

Doesnt take a rocket scientist to extract laptimes from either.


I understand your point, that people timing on trackdays is just a bad thing in general as it encourages risks, but some of us do it quite responsibly by not altering our trackday driving style at all while we are videoing and then only looking at the times later on rather than trying to race the clock on the way around.

 

[underdog]

i use lap timers on every track day iv done.so do my mates.its the only way i can judge my progress and see how my mods or geo changes translate into a quicker car.just because i dont race doesnt mean i dont want to improve my car or my driving skills.if i could compete it would be in Time attack so this is the closest i can get in my little dream world, lol. thanks for the replys, i know the dg03 are a good tyre as my mate uses them but hes never used federals so no direct comparisons so appreciate the replys

 

[BIGASH]

I did 195's r888's v's 205 dz03 and there was 1.5 second difference per lap over a 50 second circuit. I genuinely couldn't believe the difference but went back out and 10 more laps on each tyre and every lap was stupidly consistent. Doesn't help against the RSR's I know but they are slower than the 888's

 

[underdog]

I did 195's r888's v's 205 dz03 and there was 1.5 second difference per lap over a 50 second circuit. I genuinely couldn't believe the difference but went back out and 10 more laps on each tyre and every lap was stupidly consistent. Doesn't help against the RSR's I know but they are slower than the 888's

wow thats impressive. i know feeling an improvment is one thing but seeing it in lap times is even better.

thanks for posting that

 

[BIGASH]

wow thats impressive. i know feeling an improvment is one thing but seeing it in lap times is even better.

thanks for posting that

That wasn’t a chap with a stopwatch either was full data logging Next time I go on my other windows laptop i’ll try put some traces up to show where the differences come from. I was genuinely surprised myself. Last time I bought dz03’s they were 105+vat a tyre so its not silly money also they last a long time if the car is setup well and you spend the time getting the pressures right.

 

[underdog]

That wasn’t a chap with a stopwatch either was full data logging Next time I go on my other windows laptop i’ll try put some traces up to show where the differences come from. I was genuinely surprised myself. Last time I bought dz03’s they were 105+vat a tyre so its not silly money also they last a long time if the car is setup well and you spend the time getting the pressures right.

what track was that on? thanks

 

[BIGASH]

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