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Std 182 v Remapped 182



R

rich[182]

Have often wandered what real world difference is with performance, everyone with remap says car pulls better mid range, however theres always disputes on power gains and the whole RR topic

If you took a std 182 and did a 0-100 test, then added panel filter, cat-back & remap and did same test asap, assuming same weather etc

What would you expect diff to be 0-100
When modded car hit 100 how far back would the std car have been at that moment, are we talking a car length, or 2 or 3 - Im intrigued

Also 30-70 midrange, what gap difference is realistically gonna happen
 
M

mini-valver

Its better to do it from rollong start as it depends what kind of start you get but head to heat 30-100 is probably best way to test it. I'd expect the mapped car to pull better through the rev range and probably have a second or 2 on the other....
 
  liquidized RacingBlue 182
im acctually wondering th same thing was thinking of gettin mine remapped! is it gonna make a diff or just as wel of the way it is? hehe
 
  182, SRT8, RS4, GT-R
I've had quite a few head to heads with standard 182's. I've pulled maybe 3/4 car lengths to a 100mph.
 
Not much difference 5krpm+ (full throttle) power wise so I would say very similar 0-100.

My car supposedly has 25bhp and 30lb/ft over standard and from speedo videos I have done does 0-100 in 15ish seconds, 2.5 seconds faster then standard. Watch this video and see how much time you spend under 5krpm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=labmyYBZUig

there is however alot to be said for driveability with a remap. How often in everyday driving are you doing 0-100 runs;)

I suppose the raised rev limit will help kepp you in the power band when you change gear which will help the times.
 
  2014 Focus Titanium
I suppose the raised rev limit will help kepp you in the power band when you change gear which will help the times.

Hate to open a can of worms but everyone disagreed with me when i said about changing at the highest revs possible to be further in the power band in the next gear, i agree with you! But anyway, none of that matters.

I also agree that a remap will more than likely just affect your day to day driving, for overtaking at low revs and such i would have thought u would see a big improvement.
 
  cup 182 mit stripes
It's very refreshing to read MarkM's posts. He lives on planet Earth, not cloud cuckoo land like some others do.
 
  Jap Shed
Not much difference 5krpm+ (full throttle) power wise so I would say very similar 0-100.

My car supposedly has 25bhp and 30lb/ft over standard and from speedo videos I have done does 0-100 in 15ish seconds, 2.5 seconds faster then standard. Watch this video and see how much time you spend under 5krpm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=labmyYBZUig

there is however alot to be said for driveability with a remap. How often in everyday driving are you doing 0-100 runs;)

I suppose the raised rev limit will help kepp you in the power band when you change gear which will help the times.
what other mods do u have?
would a 172 with filter go like that with a rs tuning remap?
 
  RenaultSport clio 172 mk2
OK, I got my 172 remapped to use higher octane fuel. Nothing else. The people who remapped it said 10% more power. It was hard to notice the extra power, because even 10% more at the top end doesn't feel that much different, despite what some people would tell you. Whatever I got in extra torque at useful revs was noticeable though. Not huge, but noticeable. Enough to make me consider it was worth it.

I don't know whether that 10% was real, but when I took it out to the drag strip I did a 15.0 on the first run. That's better than any magazine road test I've seen for a 172 by about 0.3 seconds.

So what should I have gotten if I really had 10% more horsepower. There's an equation. It says that all else being equal 10% more horsepower should have cut the car's standing 400 metre time by 0.375 seconds. So I may not have exactly precisely 10% more power, but that drag strip time indicated its in that ballpark. Maybe about 8%.

Now at the end of that 400 metres I was doing 92 mph. That's about 40 metres/second. So if I got there 0.3 seconds earlier I was 12 metres further down the road at that point than a standard car would have been. That's about 3 car lengths.

A panel filter would get you nil measurable extra horsepower. Ie, less than the variation between runs on a dyno. A cat-back might get you an additional 5% with a remap to suit. So re-do the arithmetic, and you get around 0.5 seconds quicker down the 400 metres, and that puts you 20 metres, 5 car lengths, ahead of a standard car.

You'll note that the 13% total horsepower increase I estimated isn't much less than the 25 bhp MarkM said you'd get. I'm less confident that you'd see anything like 30 lb/ft extra torque. That's a lot.

If I do the arithmetic to translate that into an improvement in 0-100 mph time I get about half what MarkM says. About 1.15 seconds. Which would put you about 50 metres, yes, 50 metres, ahead of a standard car.

To get the 2.5 second improvement in 0-100 mph time MarkM says you'd need a lot more than 25 extra horsepower. More like 50. I don't think anyone seriously believes you could get 50 bhp extra, 220+ bhp, out of a Clio Sport just with a remap, induction and exhaust. That requires separate throttle bodies and/or cams. I'm suggesting you be getting about 195 bhp, based on the fact that a 182 starts with about 173 bhp.
 
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  182, SRT8, RS4, GT-R
It's very refreshing to read MarkM's posts. He lives on planet Earth, not cloud cuckoo land like some others do.

Haha you idiot, you want me to prove you wrong again by posting another vid with actual proof??

I agree with Mark, it's all done to the driveability in day to day running. I also find the raised rev limit handy when in a long corner or a quick sharp one when you haven't got time to change gear.

Interesting post Gordon, sometimes figures go out the window though when racing but I like seeing figures.
 
  172 Cup (track) FS
Not much difference 5krpm+ (full throttle) power wise so I would say very similar 0-100.

My car supposedly has 25bhp and 30lb/ft over standard and from speedo videos I have done does 0-100 in 15ish seconds, 2.5 seconds faster then standard. Watch this video and see how much time you spend under 5krpm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=labmyYBZUig

there is however alot to be said for driveability with a remap. How often in everyday driving are you doing 0-100 runs;)

I suppose the raised rev limit will help kepp you in the power band when you change gear which will help the times.

30 lb/ft seems a big increase in % terms over the standard number so I think you're right to say supposedly

The problem with dynos is that they all read differently on different days. I've learnt after much time spent on various rolling roads that it's all about how the car drives, not the numbers on a graph. They really mean very little.

good post :approve:
 
  BMW 320d SE
Some good points raised here.
I take it by "remap" you're all talking about the sort of remap that someone like K-Tec does for under £300?
 
  cup 182 mit stripes
No proof in that last vid Dubai. All I saw was something that looked like the Star of Bethlehem on speed.

Thought you were getting the car roaded this weekend.
Only made 180 so you did'nt bother posting?
 
  182, SRT8, RS4, GT-R
No proof in that last vid Dubai. All I saw was something that looked like the Star of Bethlehem on speed.

Thought you were getting the car roaded this weekend.
Only made 180 so you did'nt bother posting?

Our weekends are different my naive friend and it's muslim NY so it was closed, I've dropped it off tonight ready for tomorrow morning.

No proof in the R32 vid?? LOL. Get out of that little box you're in. Did you have a tussle with a R32 and lose or something? I'll get a vid of me against a 182 standard on Friday probably, see if you're still spouting off then.
 

Ali

  V6, Trackhawk, GTS
3-4 car lengths my arse ^^ I pull about that on a run to 130+

Very little in it really, You pull in the higher RPM, when the other person needs to change gear! (Makes the car more drivable thats it.
 
  182, SRT8, RS4, GT-R
Nope, I believe you have some strong little blinkers on. I love the way some people on here shoot everything down without even knowing the full situation.

Hold your judgement until you see the vid, thats all i can say. But people will still find fault. Ali thought the R was pulling on me in 2nd in the vids i posted, when in truth, that was never the case and can be seen in the vid yet people see what they want to see.

Let's keep on topic anyway.
 
  FN2 Type R +MK6 Golf
I love the way people spend thousands on there cars for a few car lengths.
Buy a faster car to begin with
Or turbo the 182.Thats the only way you will see proper on road gains

ian
 


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