Subs Or No Subs?

[White16valver]

What makes your friend think that a car set up is anywhere near similar to a studio set up? In a studio you haven't got all manner of bass frequencies coming up through the chassis that you have to overcome to get the 'correct' sound lol

Basically my friends “sound” rule is that if he can take the final mix and put it onto a cassette (yes they still make them) and play it through a crppy stereo. If it still sound well balanced on such a low tech system he’s done a good job.

He is very anal about stuff like this

I agree. You should be able to have the whole sound system settings on zero, with no 'bass boost' and all that crap, and it sound good.

The problem is that, while it may sound perfectly balanced at standstill with the engine off (or through your ££££ studio speakers), once you're doing 70mph on a concrete A-road the bass on your perfectly balanced recording is a little drowned out by tyre roar and wind noise... lol

By adding a sub you can put that bass back. You then turn the volume down or adjust the bass down when you're in town and don't need the extra bass as you're not battling against road noise so much.

Subs are chav

Should go on to TalkAudio and say that.

Sub's are chav if their sole purpose is for people outside of the car to hear/feel it, if we're going to generalise.

A well setup sub/car should keep everything within the car itself acting like an enclosure. Afterall the people that are meant to hear it is you and passengers.

Exactly.

Driving round town with your windows down and the speakers distorting with crap 'tunez' is chav - owning a sub that adds depth and weight to the music, that you only listen to when others aren't around as you don't want it nicked and aren't out to impress anyone, isn't.


Owning an axe doesn't make you an axe murderer, it's only the application of said axe that determines your 'label' lol

 

[thejoose]

Subs are chav, as are loud exhausts. Attention seeking.

<sigh> I can see im going to have my work cut out here......

Subs are not chav - people who drive around with the windows down blarring music out are chavs and annoying people at the lights are chav.

If you drive a fast car does that make you a boy racer? no

the same deal applies with subs in a system

I have a massive install, louder then most people will ever hear, but I am far from chav, its used at shows and competitions

when I drive home the windows are up or if the windows are down the system is turned down so as not to be heard outside the car

 

[VeinAST]

One small sub in the boot for sound quality, thats it. Thats what Ive got.
Doesnt make you a chav. I certainly hope chavs dont start listening to Led Zep and The Stranglers

 

[The Boosh!]

if i have £100 to spend on a sub what would you buy? vibe active sub is primary option at moment... anything better.?

subs aren't for chavs! =-]

 

[2thumbs]

JBL GT4/GT5. Awesome subs.

Get a budget amp and box, and you're laughing. Slightly more than £100 but worth it.

 

[The Boosh!]

il get on flea bay

 

[2thumbs]

I wouldn't.

Most of it seems to be nackered or on its way out if you get it from eGay! A GT4 is only £40 new.

http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/1006.html

 

[The Boosh!]

any good?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JBL-GT4-12-SU...ryZ18805QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[The Boosh!]

rms on the gt4 is only 250 though...

the vibe has 600 rms ? been offered a cbr for 90 but gonna try to talk him down... unless i find something better value

 

[2thumbs]

Amp lets it down, and it doesn't give any true (RMS) wattage specs.

But for the price you cant quibble, and it's easily upgradeable at a later stage. GT4's can happily take 500w all day and it'll be a damn sight more musical than an off the shelf vibe.

The most important part is the JBL is easy to upgrade around and you can keep it indefinately, the Vibe you cant.

Just make sure you don't set the level/gain too high unless you want to kill something.

 

[The Boosh!]

haha so in theorythe jbl is just as powerful as the vibe then? i think im goonna in vest in a decent amp... the amp i have now is shite... its a 300w jet sound and is attempting to power 2 10" mutant subs... no go lol

 

[2thumbs]

Keep the Jet amp for the time being until you source something decent second hand. Buy the GT4 and a box.

'ere you go:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JBL-GT4-12-12...VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247

Job jobbed.

 

[The Boosh!]

so u s ure this is decent then??

if i buy a really good amp will the sub become more powerful? it says 1000w peak will it ever be possible to to reach this peak?

 

[2thumbs]

It will if you get a 1000w RMS amp, but it'll last 30 seconds before the piston jumps through the cone.

As I've said, it'll happily run at 500w with clean, un-clipped power in a well built box.

Even at ~300w it'll probably be just as loud as a Vibe.

Ironic though, you keep saying it's only chav if you want it as loud as possible, and that seems to be what you want.

 

[The Boosh!]

It will if you get a 1000w RMS amp, but it'll last 30 seconds before the piston jumps through the cone.

As I've said, it'll happily run at 500w with clean, un-clipped power in a well built box.

Even at ~300w it'll probably be just as loud as a Vibe.

Ironic though, you keep saying it's only chav if you want it as loud as possible, and that seems to be what you want.

i dont want loudness... i like options.. .with my alpine i can choose clarity or loudness... so just want value for money for all different types of music. dont do speed garage though...:boring:

 

[2thumbs]

GT4's your boy then.

As I've said, they're very musical for the money.

You'll get more value for money as you can change boxes and amp, when you get the 'bug', without getting rid of the whole lot like you would an 'off the shelf' sub.

Just buy it!!

 

[The Boosh!]

right... your officially getting added as a buddy i shall invest and consult you whnen i need help with the amp you seem to know what cracck is

 

[Dink]

i know it's against the rules but i've got a infinity perfect 12 vq you can have for 70 quid

(i've also got a decent 1Kw amp but i think that might be a bit out of budget)

 

[The Boosh!]

whats it sound like pal?

what do ya think 2 thumbs?

EDIT: your polo is sex lol

 

[Dink]

well it's made by the same company as the JBL

you can change the inserts on the back to alter the sound/response of it

 

[2thumbs]

Infinity's alright! Assume it's boxed aswell?

• Power Handling, RMS: 400 Watts
• Power Handling, Peak: 1600 Watts
• Sensitivity: 89dB
• Frequency Response (±3dB): 25Hz - 400Hz
• Mounting Depth: 7"
• Impedance: 4 Ohms

Up to you at the end of the day, is your money chap.

 

[Dink]

nope not boxed unfortunately i had them in a custom box.

it's just an idea thats all there just taking up space at the mo

 

[degrees of passion]

i had a 12" alpine type r sub in a huge carpeted and sealed box in my corsa with a dva alpine head unit,6x9s and components with sound deadening in the boot and doors;sounded awesome,especially the electro/tech/deep house tunes,reli felt like being in a club and stood next to the huge speakers ther,the bass used to make ur hair move an tickle ur hed.i loved it,sumtimes jus drove so i cud listen to a new cd on it.

BUT for me i wudnt get one anymore.it was far too big,and with the amps literally took up 3 quarters of the boot,and so wasnt practical.the bass,admittedly was unnecessary,and shook the full car making an awful buzzing noise.This time i rekon im gonna go for a hefty set of 6x9s with big magnets,and a decent amp,so that it'll sound a bit like if i had a sub,but il still have a boot to put stuff in.

 

[wozzaa]

have a 12" RE SE sub. I upgraded the headunit and compents and had them on an amp before I put the sub in. I decided I needed the sub to add depth I didn't have before.

Mine is not an all out loud system more an SQL system somewhat loud without being stupidly loud and not designed for pure SQ.

After a near 3 hour commute each way every day I decided not hearing the cymbols and the correct bass note. Considering I play the bass guitar was enough to upgrade...Basically knowing how it sounds when I play it and how it sounded when the standard system played it wound me up and I changed all the speakers out so it sounded similar to me playing it. Same with the drums as one of my best mates who I practice with plays the drums.


I don't drive around with it being loud though I turn it down when getting near my estate etc and I only really have it loud on the motorway. Around town it is fairly normal...Until a sweet guitar solo comes on when it is simply f**k anyone else I am listening to it loud...you can't listen to a sweet solo quiet its blasphemy!

 

[Black-Clio-1.4]

I think you can tell when a chav has a sub, becasue he doesn't seem to care that his speakers are distorting like crazy and the car bootlid is buzzing. Thats a CHAV.

Having a well deadend install with good sound quality and deep base is NOT CHAV.

CHAV = Poor scrounger. Meaning they can't afford a PC, so no Internet to get decent equiptment. Ends up buying hellfrauds shite. Giving us guys with decent equiptment a bad name!

 

[MillerLight]

I think you can tell when a chav has a sub, becasue he doesn't seem to care that his speakers are distorting like crazy and the car bootlid is buzzing. Thats a CHAV.

Having a well deadend install with good sound quality and deep base is NOT CHAV.

CHAV = Poor scrounger. Meaning they can't afford a PC, so no Internet to get decent equiptment. Ends up buying hellfrauds s**te. Giving us guys with decent equiptment a bad name!

Type error. Think you meant steal

 

[-Leigh-]

Subs are chav, as are loud exhausts. Attention seeking.

<sigh> I can see im going to have my work cut out here......

Subs are not chav - people who drive around with the windows down blarring music out are chavs and annoying people at the lights are chav.

If you drive a fast car does that make you a boy racer? no

the same deal applies with subs in a system

I have a massive install, louder then most people will ever hear, but I am far from chav, its used at shows and competitions

when I drive home the windows are up or if the windows are down the system is turned down so as not to be heard outside the car

Trust me, when you get old, you'll look back and realise you were a chav. Subs damage your hearing!

 

[thejoose]

Trust me, when you get old, you'll look back and realise you were a chav. Subs damage your hearing!

What a stupid thing to say! thats like saying Your car will kill you because it can go fast

Subs up too loud damage your hearing yes but in a well designed system subs that blend in with the rest of the system will not damage your hearing.

I can show you loads of systems run by 'older' people (hell im 30) that all contain subs, yes some are stupid like mine but most of them are modest systems designed with sound quality in mind

they are a must have if you want realistic sound reproduction. Please tell me how you hope to fully recreate a phil colins drum solo without one

 

[Black-Clio-1.4]

I think you can tell when a chav has a sub, becasue he doesn't seem to care that his speakers are distorting like crazy and the car bootlid is buzzing. Thats a CHAV.

Having a well deadend install with good sound quality and deep base is NOT CHAV.

CHAV = Poor scrounger. Meaning they can't afford a PC, so no Internet to get decent equiptment. Ends up buying hellfrauds s**te. Giving us guys with decent equiptment a bad name!

Type error. Think you meant steal

Agreed!

 

[thejoose]

Its not just chavs giving enthusists a bad name its narrow minded people like xzibit

I fail to see how having subs is any different to driving a fast car?

you can make do with a slower car, but you dont want to do you you like to have the performance there for when its needed or when you just want to have fun!

 

[Neil G]

I dont have one becuase I'm not a chav.

If the car came with one i.e. factory built in its OK.

I've got my home setup to listen to stuff in high quality etc so dont waste time and money trying to replicate that in the car.

Plus, it adds weight!

+1

Pretty much sums it up

When I see cars rolling through town with da bass going and all the panels nearly rattling off I always think what a 'tw*t'....I'm sure most other people think the same.

Not chav, just sad as f**k

You can recreate a Phil Collins drum solo by playing it on a kit!

 

[bigboyaks]

Deffinatly a sub! i have a vibe cbr 12 active (built in amp), snapped it up for £110 off ebay (inc. P&P), at 550 rms u cnt go wrong.

 

[Black-Clio-1.4]

Obviously these negative people can't do an install themselves!

I find it not only fun listening to music using an install I have put together, but fun installing and setting up the system to make it sound as good as possible.

I have probably spent 25-30 hours on just the install.

 

[JJT]

Its not just chavs giving enthusists a bad name its narrow minded people like xzibit

I fail to see how having subs is any different to driving a fast car?

you can make do with a slower car, but you dont want to do you you like to have the performance there for when its needed or when you just want to have fun!

+1

as already mentioned it depends on the way the subs being used, like 'thejoose' said a well intergrated sub will only improve the overall sound of the music.

 

[-Leigh-]

Its not just chavs giving enthusists a bad name its narrow minded people like xzibit

I fail to see how having subs is any different to driving a fast car?

you can make do with a slower car, but you dont want to do you you like to have the performance there for when its needed or when you just want to have fun!

Look, stop trying to justify having a "boom box" in your boot. I'm not narrow minded, I know "your sort" that have them, and it's just not cool guys!

 

[Black-Clio-1.4]

Its not just chavs giving enthusists a bad name its narrow minded people like xzibit

I fail to see how having subs is any different to driving a fast car?

you can make do with a slower car, but you dont want to do you you like to have the performance there for when its needed or when you just want to have fun!

Look, stop trying to justify having a "boom box" in your boot. I'm not narrow minded, I know "your sort" that have them, and it's just not cool guys!

Lol. Should get a decent sound system you might be impresed.

 

[-Leigh-]

Look, stop trying to justify having a "boom box" in your boot. I'm not narrow minded, I know "your sort" that have them, and it's just not cool guys!

Lol. Should get a decent sound system you might be impresed.

I've got one at home. Sounds awesome.

Can't see the point in the car, but then I don't sit down Tesco's car park all evening like the chavs with subs, I just drive point to point. I suppose you have impress the passing 13 year olds somehow!

 

[Neil G]

Its not just chavs giving enthusists a bad name its narrow minded people like xzibit

I fail to see how having subs is any different to driving a fast car?

you can make do with a slower car, but you dont want to do you you like to have the performance there for when its needed or when you just want to have fun!

Look, stop trying to justify having a "boom box" in your boot. I'm not narrow minded, I know "your sort" that have them, and it's just not cool guys!

lol

 

[White16valver]

When I see cars rolling through town with da bass going and all the panels nearly rattling off I always think what a 'tw*t'....I'm sure most other people think the same.

Not chav, just sad as f**k

As I'm sure I and others have said already several times in this thread, the above is not in dispute. :banghead:

What is is the fact that owning a sub somehow makes you a chav.

An object does not necessarily infer anything about you - it's how you use the object that determines your 'label'.



Anyway, I fear you might be being deliberately confrontational so I'm going to sit and take a chill-pill now lol

 

[2thumbs]

Xzibit's just a troll TBH.

Stop feeding him!