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Superchip Vs UniChip



  BMW M3
I had a superchip installed in my 182 about 1 year ago (before i heard of unichip), and didnt really notice any increase in power but was smoother and used less fuel.

However, had my car in the renault garage recently and the clever folk managed to reset my ECU without questioning me as to its change.

Phoned superchip and they will put it back on for £80 odd.

My dilema however, is that althought it is using a tiny bit more fuel and is less smooth, I have suddenly noticed and increase in performance !!!

Is it possible that an off the shelf chip from superchips has actually lowered the performance of the car and therefore I should get a Unichip which is custom mapped? (182 mapping out within 2 months)

Thanks
 
  BMW M3
Ali said:
It's possible is your modified?

Completly standard now.... got a ITG panel filter coming next week.

Noticed an increase in torque on this hill near my home in 4th. Usually wont accelerate if in 4th but today doing the same speed was no bother.
 
  S2000
When I had my 172 Cup superchipped I got a "key" that they said had to be connected to be able to change the program.

Did you have one of these?
 
  Clio 190bhp Hybrid
If its an off the shelf chip it could possibly not get the best from your car. An individual remap will get the most, be it from a piggyback like the Unichip or SMT or a remap via someone like chipwizard.

Do find my chip on Valver makes it more drivable and smoother. Yours may have improved things at the time but if run in more that may have more of an effect with people on here mentioning their cups are starting to fly circa 30-40k.
 
  BMW M3
Yeah... i did get a key with it. Think it has the original data on it.

I'm thinking i will wait a couple months for the new 182 remap and get a unichip.

Is the piggyback remap from Unichip pretty much the same as chipwizards?
 
  Lionel Richie
piggyback "chips" i don't like because you have to chop into the car's wiring loom (not good if you have warranty)
 
  Evo4, MITO, 172 TTV6
Fred2001Dynamic said:
piggyback "chips" i don't like because you have to chop into the car's wiring loom (not good if you have warranty)

Yeh but if your not on warranty you seem to get quite good gains with them! I always wanted to get a dastek but never got round to it! :S
 
  Clio 190bhp Hybrid
Justin182 said:
Yeah... i did get a key with it. Think it has the original data on it.

I'm thinking i will wait a couple months for the new 182 remap and get a unichip.

Is the piggyback remap from Unichip pretty much the same as chipwizards?

Nope, a piggyback like SMT and Unichip is just and add on box which allows you to have a competent person change many settings to get the best out of your engine. Most of the cost is the RR set up. Some of these piggybacks don't allow revs limit to be altered and perhaps other aspects.

Wayne (Chipwizard) basically changes all the settings he possible can via your ECU, so no piggyback unit to pay for. Think he uses a blank chip and sets that up with whatever he finds to work best parameter wise via his laptop. Cost IIRC is in region of £350 plus VAT. Does forum prices too.

If you search google a lot of more illustrious car owners trust him and rate him. That's where I am going for my hopefully 180bhp 2 litre Valver mapping as I know he will get the best out of it.
 
  BMW M3
So the majority of people think i should not get a piggyback chip but something like Chipwizard's?

Where is Chipwizards as i'm up in Edinburgh and all the good places are in the south of England !!

Plus, Dastek dont have a remap for the 182 yet.

Thanks Guys

Edit: Cant really find much. Does he have a website?
 
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Ali

  V6, Trackhawk, GTS
Justin182 said:
So the majority of people think i should not get a piggyback chip but something like Chipwizard's?

Where is Chipwizards as i'm up in Edinburgh and all the good places are in the south of England !!

Plus, Dastek dont have a remap for the 182 yet.

Thanks Guys

Edit: Cant really find much. Does he have a website?

Dastek can map any car...They're no such thing as a designated map from them, They alter the car to the mods you have!
 
  BMW M3
Ali said:
Dastek can map any car...They're no such thing as a designated map from them, They alter the car to the mods you have!

I phoned Dastek up yesterday and they said they are still developing a remap for the 182.

Think ive heard a few people on here say the same.

But as you say, I dont really understand if each remap is custom


:S
 

Ali

  V6, Trackhawk, GTS
Gavin is mapping mine this w/k. I'm stayin while he does it. Top bloke, Knows his stuff. Most idiots will just load a map onto the car and leave it there.
 
  BMW M3
  BMW M3
Think you might be around the Leeds area so its a bit far to travel.

Why are all the good places for servicing and tuning etc... so far down
 
  Clio 172 mk2
Graph looks good

I am looking into a reflashed/group n ecu in the future....is it really worth the money, do you notice much difference?
 
  Clio 190bhp Hybrid
ECUs are much less than a remap these days. Think my BB chip for Valver was circa £250 and sure it went up to about £350 which is chipwizard money.

They are actually doing R Tuner now which I think is liek the SMT and Dastek so another option.

Still say a chipwizard remap is better and best thing about it is he uses a new chip so your old one (BB in my case) can be sold on.
 

RSTuning

ClioSport Club Member
  R35 GTR
Neil82cup said:
15 hp and 15 lbft on a standard 182? Yeah ok.

Look at the graph, there was a big long thread on this, car was run back to back on the same dyno. The owner of the car is on here and was very impressed with the real world gains also. Why don't you keep your opinion to yourself?

That is how we tested and that's the results. Ok?

And no i'm not saying the 182 is now a 197 the car only made something like 170 on a std map but as i try to tell many people rolling roads are only good for checking increases etc. one may show 180 and the other 170

As for your childish comment of "yeah ok" what else would it take to you to prove these gains? THEY ARE IN BLACK AND WHITE! The Dyno used was nearly brand new Dyno Dynamics 450 Lowboy form here:
http://www.dyno.com.au/cdyno_index.htm
And as it's not ours we didn't operate this!

Paul
 
  RenaultSport clio 172 mk2
Hi, I'm only a new bod here, joined up to find a little info for my '93 diesel Clio, but this topic attracted me simply because I have had some experience with Unichips...

It would seem that there is some confusion over what is available from Dastek, and how it can be fitted. So to clarify...

The old argument with Unichip Vs. Superchip or any other plug in device was one of compatibility. A pre-mapped chip is easy to fit, and can be removed very quickly, but is not mapped to your engine, so it cannot access 100% of the available driveability/power/torque. A unichip is a seperate piggyback ECU that has to be soldered into the cars harness and mapped on a rolling road. Understandably, this raises concerns over warranty, and over the additional price / time / aggro factor of having it mapped. The end result though, is that your engine will be performing at its absolute best, and be making the most of all the mods you have fitted.

All very simple, except for one thing... The maker of the Unichip, Dastek, finally got its act together. It now offers pre-mapped Unichips, (although it seems to have quietly forgotten its previous USP, and whole point, of being mapped to your individual engine). This isn't such a bad thing though, as many of these pre-mapped units can now come with plug n' play harnesses. Evectively then, Unichip is covering all its options. If you want to get power quick and easy, you can buy a premapped Unichip with a harness and simply plug it in. if you want to go the "proper" route, you can still buy a plug n' play chip, and have it mapped properly by your nearest tuner. So, just because Dastek dont have a map yet for the 182, doesnt mean you cant have a unichip, you just have to have it mapped to your engine, which is in fact the best way to go about it.

This is what I did with my MR2. I installed the chip myself by simply plugging it into the ECU, drove to millways, had it mapped and returned home with a fistful of extra torque, and a hike in BHP form 138bhp, to 156. Not bad for a little 1.8 litre mill out of a Corolla.

During the course of my investigations into the various tuning methods available I spent a lot of time chatting with Jerry, the Head Honcho of Unichip USA, as at the time he was the only one offering the warranty saving plug n' play harness. I think, although I'm not entirely sure, that Dastek Uk have now got their house in order, no doubt helped in part by the fact that I bought 20 Unichips from the USA rather than from them for a Group Buy on the MR2 Roadster Owners Club. It worked out very welll indeed, although, as you would expect some people got better results than others in terms of outright power. However, all were satisfied with the end result. Of all the mods I have tried, the Unichip is hands down the best in terms of bang for the buck...

Below is a pic of what I got from Unichip USA: you can see the Unichip itself, plus a wiring harness. All you do to fit it is unplug the engine harness from your ECU, plug it into the unichip harness, and then plug the Unichip into your ECU. Takes seconds, and is removeable without any evidence whatsoever. Not even a damaged anti tamper seal in sight...
GSBpnpUnichip4.jpg


Right, I'll get back to my power steering issues now, and let you hardened RenaultSport nuts get on with it. Dastek have yet to make anything that makes my rattley old mk1 Clio Diesel go any faster...
 
pmurray said:
Look at the graph, there was a big long thread on this, car was run back to back on the same dyno. The owner of the car is on here and was very impressed with the real world gains also. Why don't you keep your opinion to yourself?

That is how we tested and that's the results. Ok?

And no i'm not saying the 182 is now a 197 the car only made something like 170 on a std map but as i try to tell many people rolling roads are only good for checking increases etc. one may show 180 and the other 170

As for your childish comment of "yeah ok" what else would it take to you to prove these gains? THEY ARE IN BLACK AND WHITE! The Dyno used was nearly brand new Dyno Dynamics 450 Lowboy form here:
http://www.dyno.com.au/cdyno_index.htm
And as it's not ours we didn't operate this!

Paul

If a 182 came in with 180 ish hp standard there is no way your going to gain 15hp/15 lbft.
 
  GDI ???BHP Cliosport172
I agree with Neil- why do people on here think that if your going to get some sort of chip fitted to your car you must get alot of extra bhp or their not happy.
I dont know the technical side of things well but ive had it explained to me that you cant simply put a chip on a car and it will give you an massive power increase!
When i was thinking about the ecu for my car i was told that if i was expecting 10-20brake more then forget it because it simply wont happen- maximum 6brake and thats it but better power curve, increased torque through the rev range.
For the money ive spent on my car its a vast improvement to how sh*t it was standard!
Ok every car is different, some of you will be lucky to have a good engine, some will turn out to have a not so good but from where i see it a reflashed ecu is definately the way to go.
 


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