swap engine for a larger model, what do i need to do/change etc?

[clancy]

i think my 1.2 engine is coming to the end of its life so will probably need replacing sometime this year. i could get another 1.2 engine and do a straight swap but given insurance prices on larger engine cars i was considering putting the 1.4 or 1.6 engine in if possible. meaning i could keep this car longer without needing to buy a new car etc.

would a 1.4 or 1.6 engine be a straight swap ? if not, what else would need changing?

and does anyone have any ideas what needs to be done paperwork wise, because im presuming i will have to re-classify the car etc ?


cheers for any help in advance

 

[plasticmorph]

i know its really annoying when you ask a specific question and some busy body comes back with an irrelevant splurge, but wouldnt it be more cost effective to just sell it and get a 172?

 

[Goodj]

Gearbox? Maybe, and if so the whole drivetrain.

 

[Goodj]

i know its really annoying when you ask a specific question and some busy body comes back with an irrelevant splurge, but wouldnt it be more cost effective to just sell it and get a 172?

Or at least something with a bigger engine to begin with. If insurance is your big gripe, go DCi. Low tax, low insurance and even if you map it it probably wont be too painful to insure,.

 

[clancy]

Dci isnt a bad idea, will look into it. as for a 172 it really isnt an option it puts my insurance up by like £1500-2000. i was just thinking as the engine will most likely need changing this year what would be needed to just put the 1.4 engine in as its not a huge difference on the insurance

 

[MicKPM]

To do an engine hack you will need:

• Engine
• Gearbox
• Engine Loom (possibly cabin loom also)
• Brakes & running gear (To do the job properly at least)
• Exhaust setup

Then, if you want it to all "plug 'n' play" you'll need:

• Key fobs
• ECM
• UCH

All from the doner car... you'd proberbly be better off buying a car thats taken it up the bum to use for all your parts as this will be the cheapest method if you must hack the current vehicle. A new car would be money better spent though IMO as you'll have no issues with insurance or MOT either. Don't forget to update the V5c with the new engine number and size to as insuring any ex-1.2 with a larger engine in as a 1.2 still is a mugs game. Don't forget to factor in the cost of additional jobs to be done whilst doing the conversion to suchas timing belt and water pump, clutch, aux-belt kit.

Mick

 

[clancy]

cheers micKPM, thats put me off that then, was just an idea anyway. if i was simply to put a better condition 1.2 engine mine it would be a straight swap though wouldnt it?

 

[MicKPM]

Yep, providing you buy the right 1.2 unit... will no doubt be a 1.2 16v but depending on year it could also be a 1.2 8v so check before you buy!

Mick

 

[clancy]

its a 1.2 16v from a 2003, which is the D4F engine isnt it ?

cheers for the help

 

[clancy]

oh and one other thing... the new engine would have lower millage, so would i have the clocks adjusted to match the engine? and what about the paperwork side of things?

 

[MicKPM]

Yep, it'll be the D4F-XXX in that case.

No, altering the clocks mileage to reflect that of the new engine is illegal/fraud and is seen as an attempt to mis-represent the vehicles condition/bump its value as the vehicle has covered the original mileage. People do it all the time but that doesn't make it right... you make your bed and lay it in I say on that subject but if it were me I'd leave the clockset alone and then add to your current service history that a new engine (with its engine number) was fitted on such a date and where possible, add its last known milege and use it as a base for you new service routines.

Mick

 

[clancy]

ok sounds like a plan, thanks alot