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Embarrassed to say
Pigme1000000 were on the same page mate. Its like im fighting for my life trying to big up rs clios in this group. Its bad enough reading other groups sl*gging them off.
106 GTi
I thought I was on the Type R forum when i read this thread!
After driving the Civic and the 182 on the same day, I was put off the Type R for two reasons, couldnt justify the large extra chunk of money for it considering the spec. The Clio was the best choice for me as it was more akin to the 205 GTi characteristics I had recently sold.
Not knocking the Type R was not the car for me. My friends picking up his 05 Plate Civic today. Both are good cars, whats the best price you can get a new Type R for. Mates paying 17K for his?
I have driven both cars, & i chose a 182 because itfeels more explosive to drive old school style. The civics power band is just to narrow to keep it spinning on a windy road.
182 for me every time
p.s
money was not an influencing factor.
Just look at the renault options list most of the are geared towards speed & handling
sorry to offend mr blue,but thought you were buying that liquid yellow one??? and as for sl*gging the clio off???? i was bigging it up!!!
This too is what I found. The so called VTEC kick is no more (if not less) than the kick on a 182 but in the 182 it happens lower down the range so you get a longer burst. Below the kick point the Clio has more power and torque as well (per tonne if not in measureable output as well).
The end result contrary to what was said above is that the CTR does not have the edge in a straight line. Coming off of corners and roundabouts its a constant race through the gear box and you feel like you are driving mentally but somehow the Clio still edges away from you. At about 90ish though you can feel just that little extra power to overcome the drag but its a bit late by then.
For the record I was driving my mates 43k CTR and he was in my tight 2.5k to 3k 182.
Embarrassed to say
I think that might be why the s2000 in the US has a 2.2 litre engine due to the narrow powerband of the 2.0 litre.
You can get type rs for £15000 brand new from hondas-uk.co.uk however their parallel imports from the EU so come with 60k 3 year warranty as oppose to 90k and no locking wheel nuts.
if it was me i would keep the civic i have driven 172s (but not a 182, been a passenger in a few) and driven 2 uk civic type rs and 1 jdm civic, if u could get 1 jdm civic hands down, i would choose 1 over any renault including the v6.... however the type r is a really good car and all this v tec bullsh*t is b****cks lol, once in the v tec range u can stay there easy enuff and if your booting it ne way u wont drop out... gearbox is prob 1 of the best things on the civic... the clio would be a downgrade...
the jdm i drove i took it back to my m8 (who works in the honda factory and was borrowing the car) he had told me to abuse it came back with smoke coming off the tyres brakes stinking and the clutch toasty
however we got in it 5 mins later and did a 100mile trip and it was fine... not sure u could give that much stick to a clio and get back in 5 mins later and do a big trip.
shocks me, people on here actually seeing the clio for what it really is
yes its a good car, quick, handles well, looks nice (imho) but its a french piece of s**t, which rattles, develops mysterious faults and breaks down requently (most do anyway)
in short
fun = yes
quick = yes
reliable = if youre lucky
looks = personal choice
satisfaction = good if you dont mind getting moved from pillar to post trying to get something done
i agree. i like my 182 but the folk in this forum think that these cars eat everything out there. i drive cars really hard and believe me the ctr is faster. next youll be sayin that the 182 can keep up with my 165 bhp 106 gti. guys the 182 is a cool car but there is better cars out there. as soon as i got in the 182 you could feel the cheepness and lack of decent plastics compared to the ctr. just appreciate the car for what it is. and dont give me a hard time for stating my opinion
MINI JCW
no one is giving you a hard time, the facts are that the 182 and CTR are similar in performance. Sometimes one feels quicker but this is sometimes to do with the way the power is delivered. For example my brother has a BMW 330ci and we both agree that the 182 feels quicker (this is probably due to the linear power delivery of the BMW) but in reality theres not much in it
The quality issues with the Clio are more to do with small niggling problems like the odd rattle or in my case the emissions warning light came on - they never replaced the sensors, assume they were loose or the connection dirty or something.
These cars lead a hard life and I think a lot of repairs that need doing after a few years are as a result of abusive driving.
As Ive said before my mates CTR has both headlights steamed up, his head unit had to be replaced, one of the motors for adjusting the headlights sounds like it is always on and he reckoned the rear wiper was playing up.
Id rather have the odd rattle. As for the quality of the plastics, what do you think I get my dapper out and slap it across the dashboard all evening?!?!!!!! I dont really care!
Astra VXR 17/05/07
Quote: Originally posted by tango82 on 02 April 2005
i agree. i like my 182 but the folk in this forum think that these cars eat everything out there. i drive cars really hard and believe me the ctr is faster. next youll be sayin that the 182 can keep up with my 165 bhp 106 gti. guys the 182 is a cool car but there is better cars out there. as soon as i got in the 182 you could feel the cheepness and lack of decent plastics compared to the ctr. just appreciate the car for what it is. and dont give me a hard time for stating my opinion
In the opinion and many mags there is no better hot hatch out there.Best hot hatch ever...who are they to argue.
Why should i believe you that the Ctr is a faster car when time and time again stats on tests from both cars find it difficult to split them.Most sensible 182 and Ctr owners agree that the 182 is quicker in a sprint and the Ctr quicker at silly speeds.
Also from tests that i have seen,the 182 is the better handling car.
As for reliability,they come with a 3 year warranty so thats not an issue for me,despite that i have not had mine back to the dealer for a year now and it runs superbly.Not even a sniff of it falling to bits.
As for build quality,i dont doubt you felt how much better the build quality was in the Ctr,however as soon as you got in the Ctr did you notice the lack of equipment and features compared to the 182
Its horses for courses with both cars and depends what you are after,i thought long and hard before getting my 182 and the Ctr was on my list but the 182 won for several reasons based on my own preferences.
Which is better will run for ever and ever and there wont be a winner because its peoples opinions that decide the outcome.
My opinion is that the 182 is still the best hot hatch going,if there was anything better id have one
Astra VXR 17/05/07
Quote: Originally posted by tango82 on 02 April 2005
i agree with some of the stuff you said fella. equipment etc on the 182 is far better than the ctr but that a typical jap car for ya. just people on here think the car is unbeatable for some reason. at the end of the day its a cheap hot hatch and good value for money
I dont think people think its any more unbeatable than Ctr owners think theirs is.Fact of the matter is though,when it comes to performance and handling i cant think of anything similar thats better so in a way it is unbeatable when compared to like for like.The 182 has also got a proven tested track record of showing up plenty of more expensive and supposidly better cars.I think thats where the unbeatable thing comes from.
I know its not scientific or anything but the 182 showd on the top gear lap with the Stig that its a very very capable car in the hands of a good driver and nothing similar could match it
For the time being,its the best or equal performing and handling car when up against its rivals,and without doubt one of the best,if not best pound for pound cars when it comes to equipment levels.To buy a better built or more reliable car will cost more,and the sacrifice is performance/handling and equipment.
Not worth loosing that for just for better built quality IMO.
Reality though is that both cars are superb cars in their own right
Astra VXR 17/05/07
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