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THE ECOTECH VALVE THREAD.
- Thread starter ViolentJ
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Ford Fiesta ST2
They do work on fords if you set them up correctly, this means none of the horrible noises a lot of people talk about. If you are hearing noises it is set up wrong, and will have bad effects on your car. Thats IMHO obviously!
Alex
2008 Golf GTI Edition 30
You as a bloody moderator ought to know how to use the http://forum.cliosport.net/search.asp?search=ecotek&searchMode=allwords&searchIn=Topic&forum=0&searchDate=1y&searchSort=dateDESC&Submit=Start+SearchSEARCH!!!!!!!!!! http://forum.cliosport.net/search.asp?search=ecotec&searchMode=allwords&searchIn=Topic&forum=0&searchDate=1y&searchSort=dateDESC&Submit=Start+Searchand HERE!!!!
This was in answer to the hijacking of another thread.
[Edited by _simon_ on 8/14/2005 9:44:11 PM]
Quote: Originally posted by Alex_gregory_uk on 14 August 2005
They do work on fords if you set them up correctly, this means none of the horrible noises a lot of people talk about. If you are hearing noises it is set up wrong, and will have bad effects on your car. Thats IMHO obviously!Alex
no no no no no no no no no no they DONT work !!!!!!!! there is no scientific reason for them to work
http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=6&TopicID=122542&SearchPagePosition=1&search=ecotek&searchMode=allwords&searchIn=Topic&forum=0&searchSort=dateDESC&ReturnPage=Search&ThreadPage=2http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=6&TopicID=122542&SearchPagePosition=1&search=ecotek&searchMode=allwords&searchIn=Topic&forum=0&searchSort=dateDESC&ReturnPage=Search&ThreadPage=2
They dont work, cant work and wont work.
Many many flaws behind the design, i can ramble on about how every advertised benefit is physically or technically impossible. But ive done that so many times that i cant be bothered.
Ford Fiesta ST2
ok, i know people dont believe me! thats fine, but i have one on my car, have set it up correctly and swear on mothers life it benefits on my car, the pull is far better, and i can instantly tell if it has been closed. I dont really care about the science behind it, it does work on my car, and can prove to anyone who doesnt believe me.
r.i.p mum
seriously tho... simon... u deleted my fitting guide in the other thread! ill put it back up....
quick guide
1- do not buy one in first place
longer version for stupid people that got pass that stage
1- remove from packaging
2 place carefully into bin
3 walk away and leave for bin men
Ford Fiesta ST2
hahaha
fair play to everyone who doesnt believe in it. I know how it feels when i drive with it installed. And it is an instant difference.many of the negatives have actually tried one that is set up correctly? And how many are just so scientific they come out with such negative things, but havent actually tried the product?
[Edited by Alex_gregory_uk on 14 August 2005 at 9:46pm]
Quote: Originally posted by Alex_gregory_uk on 14 August 2005
hahaha
fair play to everyone who doesnt believe in it. I know how it feels when i drive with it installed. And it is an instant difference.many of the negatives have actually tried one that is set up correctly? And how many are just so scientific they come out with such negative things, but havent actually tried the product?[Edited by Alex_gregory_uk on 14 August 2005 at 9:46pm]
well my mate works for toyota designing engines and he knows they dont work so why should i beleive anyone else lol
heres a short version from benR
Quote: Originally posted by BenR on 28 November 2004very very very simple. They do not work. WHy?, because they cannot lean out a mixture. WHy?Because they require manifold VACUUM. WHY? to open the plastic valve which is held by spring tension. WHY?To bleed in air. Why does that not lean the mixture?Because engines only make partial vacuum really on overrun and a minute about on decelleration, and in these instances, fuel injected engines do not inject ANY fuel whatsoever. THe diff = zilchAs for their jibber jabber about swirl. Whats the point, not only does the device not induce swirl (as its promoting a tiny bleed through the brake servo line), but even if it did, its so far up the ilet runner that there is no fuel intorduced to mix, and there is no fuel anyway on overrun. End of.
Ford Fiesta ST2
wow, let me bow to benrs knowledge. I believe every word someone else says. I take back every word I have said. But hang on, how can i believe someone elses technical jargon against my own real life experiences?! if i told you that i knew eveything about computers, then i told you theres a computer out now that turns its self on, reads your mind, and does your work for you, would you believe me???? So why believe benr? cos he knows every centremetre of an engine?
I dont dobut he knows his stuff, but i cant believe his points, when i have tried and tested myself. sorry
Tried an tested? so is there any proof?
As far as I can see these deserve to go in the bin along side ebay resistors, hairdriers for superchargers and megnets thats impove your fuel mix..
If they were so good youd think manufacturers would be jumping to add the technology to their cars.
Ford Fiesta ST2
well anyone who doesnt believe it and wants to actually give it a chance hop in the fiesta if ur ever near york, and maybe thatll change your mind.
Ford Fiesta ST2
thats fine by my. since it can open and close like that, i can show u the difference
You dont have to believe me, just just to put your mind to rest. I have tried one years and years ago. Ran it for a couple months, then i just turned it off and left it there because it didnt do anything. Then swapped it into another car because i thought i would try it on a different injection system to see if it works with that. It went in the bin shortly after.
Like you say, people just say they dont work without even trying it. I knew it wouldnt work, tried it, it didnt work. Wrote a massive post about findings and theoretical flaws.
And about 2 or 3 years later the product went under review and another engineer highlighted exactly the same problems i did.
if it works for you, bonus!
Ford Fiesta ST2
Cheers for that ben, Im glad you have tried and found that it didnt work. Its good that you have seen both sides, the actual product, and the theoretical.
I dont know how, why, if it should work. But I can swear it works on my car. It is a 1.25 zetec fiesta.
Most the people I hear doubt it havent tried one which is what niggles me. If they had tried and found it didnt work, fair play, but going on what someone else says, then having such strong views is a little wrong IMO.
Nippy white cup
Might it be a case of when you close it, it runs poorly and when you open it, it runs standard but better than when its closed? This would make it feel like its working but really it is completely normal.
Chris
lol @ bang!
i think alex works for ekotec!
i have a plan, give someone yo work with (and trust of course) the spare keys to your car. show them how to shut the valve off too. then tell them one day, in say a 2 week period without you knowing to shut it off. then see if u can feel any difference without knowing in your mind its there
Ford Fiesta ST2
If you close it it just goes back to the same pipe as before, so I cant see it making things worse.
And since you mention that about me not knowing, that did actually happen to me when i took it into a garage. I had no idea they had closed it. Driving home and I said to my gf, theyve closed the ecotek. Got home, and had they.... yes they had! opened it again and it did improve. That was me not knowing at all, just from driving it, a few hundred yards and i cud tell straight away.
And i dont work for ecotek, im just sticking up for a product that I find works on my car when correctly set up, that noone else will even give a chance!
Have you even read the posts above???
Most people have tried them them, as i have, and found they dont work...theyve been proven not to work by TRADING STANDARDS and like someone said, if they were that good, they wouldnt be selling for 60quid and they would probably (in some shape or form) be present as standard on new engines.
Theyre not though are they!
I can appreciate you may THINK it gives better performance but it doesnt...it in your mind. And as for the "they do work on fords if you set them up correctly, this means none of the horrible noises a lot of people talk about" i think youll find (going by ecoteks so called theory) you need to have the sucking noise on when backing off the throttle for it to be working "correctly"!!
Ford Fiesta ST2
Fair play mate, youve tried and tested. And are also prone to believing TRADING STANDARDS.
Ill give uop and walk away, but if at any time anyone does want to have a go in my car and see its fine, and I think they will be pleasently suprised.
Ford Fiesta ST2
i never stated that. I was merely stating what car it was fitted to. I dont know the technical side, i didnt believe it would work, i only got it and fitted cos it was in my garage at home. My bro ordered 1 and they sent one then a few days later another one came. Thought, what is there to lose, so i gave it a go, and I havent seen a downside to it. Cant comment on fuel consumption as i dont have a clue what my car did before, or what it does now.
There Crap end of!
Im not going to have someone with 40 odd posts who has experianced the Placebo effect while wearing his burberry tracky tell me otherwise especially when theres numerous people with 10,000+ posts who have mechanical knowledge and understand the scientific side of why IT DOES NOT WORK
If there as good as you say, then please explain to me why Renault/Ford/Citroen/Peugeot/Vauxhall etc dont fit them as standard out of the factory?? If the fuel consumtion was 25% better, smoother delivery, better emmissions why do the said dealers spend millions & millions £s every year trying to lower emmissions, increase fuel consuption when a £50 bit of rasssssssspppppppppppppppppy sh*t will do just that.
You an area rep for Ecotek by any chance?
Ford Fiesta ST2
hahaha, thats fantastic, explains this whole forum in 1 post. From now on my mouth remains shut, i wont voice my views, my post count will now stay at 50, as I am not welcome here. sorry to all those i have upset with my comments. Thanks for been understanding people. Take it easy.
Ford Fiesta ST2
Ahh, i said that was going to be my last post as I dont appreciate been told wearing his burberry tracky cos I only have 40 odd posts and I have an ecotek fitted to my car. I think its totally out of order to say things like that especially when that person doesnt know me at all.
As for my comments, I should have stated it clearer, I am not claiming all ecoteks features work. I am saying that the smoother delivery of power is noticeable. And as far as i can tell its not my mind playing games. But that could well be the problem. I am however prepared to have it closed and opened unaware to me, and I bet out of ten goes I could tell you what state it was in at each time.
Anyway this really is my last post as I am not a fan of the diminishing way people on this forum talk to others.
[Edited by Alex_gregory_uk on 15 August 2005 at 2:29pm]
As I stated on previous post and most of these posts, mine was properly set up at Stelath Racing in Southam, who actually used the fitting guide that I think Nick Read did and is on here or Ecoteks own website.
They installed it properly. How many so called experts on here know what is best and then ask for help fixing something they have just done etc.....
I get 360 out of a 50 lite tank on my F7P with magnex inc decat, BB chip and BMC CDA. With the valve on this is 400. Car seems smoother but that may be a placebo, in the same way as different brands if SUL could also be considered a placebo.
So in 60k mile sof use I get an extra 40 miles from each tank. Huge savings I would have thought. Not sure if power or accleration is affected by it. I was RRd at 148 with it on so maybe get a few more bhp with it off ????
As stated previous. Works for me as properly set up. Gain 40 miles per tank extra so approx 10 per cent increase in economy. Performance cannot me measured unless RRd before after or in gear acceleration can be measured accurately (driver error factors) with valve on and off.
I was worried could be running lean but BenR states on his post it cannot cause this so all is good.
I know there are several people on here who say this works, and saveral who do not. As an example, I could say a remap is rubbish but then it would be if incorrectly fitted, same with ecotek or anything else.
Matty or Alex...........Neither of you answered my original question.
If there as good as you say, then please explain to me why Renault/Ford/Citroen/Peugeot/Vauxhall etc dont fit them as standard out of the factory??
Untuck your trackys from your socks Alex and chill out
[Edited by Smokey on 15 August 2005 at 2:41pm]
