Trophy.. 1st gear??

[rob2006]

I've been driving 10 years now and the Trophy is the first Fwd car I've had with power. My first car was an Orion which I think had just over 110bhp. After that I was lured into 4wd and forced induction. Pulsar, celica, scooby, diesel as I Bought my first house, another scooby, Evo and now the trophy.

I'm used to planting the loud peddle and away we go! no drama just grip.

I'm unsure if my trophy is behaving properly, 1st gear seems pointless for anything other than getting you started. It doesn't matter were in the rev range I put my foot down it just lights up the front wheels and give that hopping feeling.

I've reduced the tyre pressures to 28 at the front and 27 at the rear, this made no difference.

I've tried feeding the power in slowly but its pretty hopeless and ultimately results in wheel spin.

Does everyone else's car do this as well?

 

[Alan]

Yep my 182 done and my 197 does it too mate...1st gear will light up the fronts no problem at all in any condition..

 

[DrR]

Yes and i really recommend you stop as it will destroy the gearbox.

 

[Fletcher]

Mine does this too, you get used to it after a while.

 

[daviebroon]

and mine

 

[rob2006]

Great! lol.

how the hell did it get 0-60 time of 6.something seconds then?

 

[philmots]

This time of year doesn't help being dead slippy... When its warmer and dry you can get them to really hook up, just got to have the skill.

 

[daviebroon]

Great! lol.

how the hell did it get 0-60 time of 6.something seconds then?

like most people on here... film your speedo going down a bloody great hill... and say "my 0-60 vid... it's on a slight uphill"

 

[theduck]

all about throttle control

 

[rob2006]

Hmm... how about my other issue then..

3/4 to full lock, start to move off. the car feels very odd. I'm not sure how to expalin this tbh. It's like its understeering at 3mph.

Is the tracking out.? maybe to much toe out

 

[daviebroon]

Hmm... how about my other issue then..

3/4 to full lock, start to move off. the car feels very odd. I'm not sure how to expalin this tbh. It's like its understeering at 3mph.

Is the tracking out.? maybe to much toe out

most do that... only thing i found that wouldnt do it was Eagle F1's... but now i'm on GSD3's... it's doing it again.

 

[Stevie]

yes, however you can still use it to good effect. As already mentioned there is a skill to doing it, not too much gas at once and knowing when there is enough grip available to plant it.

Most FWD cars are the same.

 

[Gaz_]

All 182's with 205 width tyres do it. My 172 cup with 195'd did it, but not to the same extent. They are too wide for the short wheel base of the car imo. The trade off is better grip in normal driving though

 

[daviebroon]

Hmm... how about my other issue then..

3/4 to full lock, start to move off. the car feels very odd. I'm not sure how to expalin this tbh. It's like its understeering at 3mph.

Is the tracking out.? maybe to much toe out

BTW... NEVER done it on 195's

EDIT: GAZ bet me to it

 

[Stevie]

Hmm... how about my other issue then..

3/4 to full lock, start to move off. the car feels very odd. I'm not sure how to expalin this tbh. It's like its understeering at 3mph.

Is the tracking out.? maybe to much toe out

I seem to get this on full lock? It makes a giddering noise? How much grip you got left on your tyres??

 

[daviebroon]

Hmm... how about my other issue then..

3/4 to full lock, start to move off. the car feels very odd. I'm not sure how to expalin this tbh. It's like its understeering at 3mph.

Is the tracking out.? maybe to much toe out

I seem to get this on full lock? It makes a giddering noise? How much grip you got left on your tyres??

like gaz said mate... it's 205's... i've got nearly brand new tread on mine, and it's terrible round Asdas car park lol

 

[rob2006]

Thats not so bad then, thought i'd have to upset the wife by spending the afternoon at my mates doing the geomitery... might go out and play with it anyway.

 

[brisa4984]

It should grip fine all the way in first provided the tarmac is dry and flat.

 

[Stevie]

I seem to get this on full lock? It makes a giddering noise? How much grip you got left on your tyres??

like gaz said mate... it's 205's... i've got nearly brand new tread on mine, and it's terrible round Asdas car park lol

lol wicked then :approve:

 

[MarkCup]

yes, however you can still use it to good effect. As already mentioned there is a skill to doing it, not too much gas at once and knowing when there is enough grip available to plant it.

Most FWD cars are the same.

Exactly.

This sounds condescending but isn't meant to; press the loud pedal less.

With only the front two wheels being driven, you've got far less traction available compared to 4WD, so there's not so much for you to use.

If you're wheelspinning, you are simpy asking the front tyres to do more than they're capable of doing.

 

[rob2006]

Hmm... how about my other issue then..

3/4 to full lock, start to move off. the car feels very odd. I'm not sure how to expalin this tbh. It's like its understeering at 3mph.

Is the tracking out.? maybe to much toe out

I seem to get this on full lock? It makes a giddering noise? How much grip you got left on your tyres??

They are all maybe 3/4 worn. But i have 2 brand new ones in the shed that came with the car. I think they are the factory fit ones as well.

 

[Henry]

It should grip fine all the way in first provided the tarmac is dry and flat.

i was thinking that of mine too - once you're rolling, it seems fine in the dry

 

[DrR]

Mine wheelspins in 4th in the wet on the motorway till i got new tyres lol.

 

[Henry]

Mine wheelspins in 4th in the wet on the motorway till i got new tyres lol.

poor gearbox!:nono:
lol

 

[rob2006]

It should grip fine all the way in first provided the tarmac is dry and flat.

i was thinking that of mine too - once you're rolling, it seems fine in the dry

Yeah i can plant it in 1st... spin spin spin, then 2nd... grips no problem off we go. I would have thought 2nd would loose traction as well, but no.

 

[Stevie]

in the dry I can plant it and get 100% grip - no problem.

or maybe thats a stupid thing to say? lol

 

[daviebroon]

in the dry I can plant it and get 100% grip - no problem.

nah mine 'bounces' if i give it too much in the dry

 

[Stevie]

in the dry I can plant it and get 100% grip - no problem.

nah mine 'bounces' if i give it too much in the dry

hmm strange is your cup standard?

I could do that in my old cupped 182 also.

 

[daviebroon]

yes mate.. feel like its going to fall apart lol

 

[rob2006]

in the dry I can plant it and get 100% grip - no problem.

or maybe thats a stupid thing to say? lol

Have you adjusted the front dampers at all? could yours be set softer causing it to reduce/stop the bounce effect.

To be honest i dont know anything about the front shocks on this car, i havent had suspension like that on any car i've owned.

 

[Stevie]

yes mate.. feel like its going to fall apart lol

lol sounds about right then :rasp:

 

[Stevie]

in the dry I can plant it and get 100% grip - no problem.

or maybe thats a stupid thing to say? lol

Have you adjusted the front dampers at all? could yours be set softer causing it to reduce/stop the bounce effect.

To be honest i dont know anything about the front shocks on this car, i havent had suspension like that on any car i've owned.

nope the pin mod has not been done I don't believe. As I say I could get the same results in a cupped 182. Just improve your launch technique matey

 

[imperial04]

I honestly didnt think it was that bad... not present on a summer day.. Im using toyo proxies at 30psi

 

[rob2006]

Have you adjusted the front dampers at all? could yours be set softer causing it to reduce/stop the bounce effect.

To be honest i dont know anything about the front shocks on this car, i havent had suspension like that on any car i've owned.

nope the pin mod has not been done I don't believe. As I say I could get the same results in a cupped 182. Just improve your launch technique matey

The pin mod???

 

[Riddick]

Use less throttle fella. Simple enough.

 

[Stevie]

nope the pin mod has not been done I don't believe. As I say I could get the same results in a cupped 182. Just improve your launch technique matey

The pin mod???

yeh, you can adjust the dampers on the Trophy as you know but you have to remove a pin todo it. Apprentley you need to know what your doing when it comes to this or you can f**k em up.

 

[dandycaptain]

Hmm... how about my other issue then..

3/4 to full lock, start to move off. the car feels very odd. I'm not sure how to expalin this tbh. It's like its understeering at 3mph.

Is the tracking out.? maybe to much toe out

You might find it's the limited-slip diff. The clios I've driven do it too, and it's no way the tyres. Feels completely different. It's not harming you or the car though

 

[ChrisR]

Hmm... how about my other issue then..

3/4 to full lock, start to move off. the car feels very odd. I'm not sure how to expalin this tbh. It's like its understeering at 3mph.

Is the tracking out.? maybe to much toe out

You might find it's the limited-slip diff. The clios I've driven do it too, and it's no way the tyres. Feels completely different. It's not harming you or the car though

er clios don't have an lsd?

 

[Henry]

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ed. double post

 

[theduck]

You might find it's the limited-slip diff. The clios I've driven do it too, and it's no way the tyres. Feels completely different. It's not harming you or the car though

er clios don't have an lsd?

maybe he meant the lack of an LSD :clown: