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Values of Nice Examples increasing
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Ben
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172 Cup bought for £8,135
There's been some scepticism at asking prices recently. So interesting to note that a one-owner 49k miles 172 Cup sold on Collecting Cars for £7,675. There's an additional 6% fee to the buyer, so the total buying price is £8,135. This is for a car that has mismatching tyres, several MoT...
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Short Norman
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172 Cup bought for £8,135
There's been some scepticism at asking prices recently. So interesting to note that a one-owner 49k miles 172 Cup sold on Collecting Cars for £7,675. There's an additional 6% fee to the buyer, so the total buying price is £8,135. This is for a car that has mismatching tyres, several MoT...
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R-Sport.
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Mint 1*2's for sale-
172 Cup bought for £8,135
There's been some scepticism at asking prices recently. So interesting to note that a one-owner 49k miles 172 Cup sold on Collecting Cars for £7,675. There's an additional 6% fee to the buyer, so the total buying price is £8,135. This is for a car that has mismatching tyres, several MoT...
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R3k1355
ClioSport Club Member
50k is good, but I'm fairly sure there are cars with much less miles around.
Buyer overpaid for this at over 8 grand, but thats their issue.
The British obsession with mileage is ridiculous IMO - I'd much rather a 200k car that had all-new suspension, belts, tyres, bushes and so on, than a 15k example that's been standing still and degrading through lack of use.
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
I've not paid more than a grand for a clio yet
People that pay over 4k for one that isnt boosted are just windowlickers
People that pay over 4k for one that isnt boosted are just windowlickers
davo172
ClioSport Club Member
TCR'd 172
I used to love my 182s, but they are mostly old tatty little rattle boxes now. There’s no way I’d spend more than 2/3K on one these days. So many nicer and better cars out there. Spending 7 or 8 grand one on is mental.
I paid over the odds for mine when I bought it last year but in fairness it’s still going well I’ve had no issues and it goes like a rocket. I’ve had a lotus and trophy r Megane and the Clio in terms of performance is not too shabby at all. They are great cars. I plan to make it even more tidy so hopefully values keep increasing as they are becoming rare. Most of the ones you see are haggard. It’s like 106 Rallye’s some idiot had one up for £20k recently on eBay. That’s just ludicrous but I suppose it’s a sellers market. I think with those though the memories are better than the reality. At least the Clio is still quick and performs well by even modern standards. Rallye’s are slow by comparison.
jameswrx
ClioSport Club Member
Yep. It’s all opinion and the chap you quoted saying “anyone paying over £4K for one that’s not boosted” to me it’s the opposite.
I can see why they’re more money currently but in the future they won’t be.
It’s a bit like years ago 205 GTI with an mi16 engine swap would have been way more expensive than a std one, now an mi16 converted 205 is worth way less than a good std equivalent.
People can’t exactly call others crazy for paying more than £4K for a 1*2 when they condone paying more than that for one that some would say is ‘ruined’.
Bankrupt_drunk
ClioSport Club Member
Clio 172
There's been a fair amount of positive press coverage/nostalgia for the 1*2's recently, I've seen them do well in a few "best hot hatch of the 20th century"and "Most fun car for less than £XXXX" articles. That will probably attract car enthusiasts for whom this kind on money is less of an issue, especially if they think it's not going to go down in price. Then as more get crashed/broken/tracked/rusted good ones will be harder to find, and in 5 years everyone will be saying "remember when you could get a decent one for less than a grand"?
R3k1355
ClioSport Club Member
Yea but one day it might be like a 205???
You just need to hold onto it for about 20 years
That’s what I don’t get. People buying them, for big money, on low miles. So that they can do what with it? Put it in the garage for 20 years, not using it (as the miles would go up and the supposed investment ruined) all the time it’s perishing and seizing up. Your paying ££££ to insure it and service it.
Then in 15/20 years you might break even for your investment. Maybe it’s gone up a bit.
But in all that time you could have had a better, newer, faster car to use every day.
It makes no sense. Unless it’s something exotic like a V6 Clio, or a Porsche/Ferrari etc, it’s pointless.
Then in 15/20 years you might break even for your investment. Maybe it’s gone up a bit.
But in all that time you could have had a better, newer, faster car to use every day.
It makes no sense. Unless it’s something exotic like a V6 Clio, or a Porsche/Ferrari etc, it’s pointless.
BMW M4; S1000 RR
I imagine there's more to it than "investment".
It's like buying an old M3 over a new one. Most of the experience for less than half the financial outlay. If you spend 5k on a nice Clio now, it's probably because you want to relive your youth or something. And it can't lose too much money (if any) at this point.
Just means you get to own a car you want without having to pay thousands and thousands per year in depreciation.
As the supply shrinks, the price increases naturally.
If they are buying them use, then fair play. It’s the people who put them away in long term storage in the hole of an investment. It’s daft.
BMW M4; S1000 RR
Maybe they have a big garage and like to polish it??
Can't knock them for that really, it's their money afterall
Correct. I’m just jel I only have a single garage.
R3k1355
ClioSport Club Member
Except this isn't 5k it's over 8 grand and given the mileage if they do drive it much it will lose some value.
Therin lies the problem tho, when people are hoarding all the decent models away the numbers won't go down so fast.
In the mid-late 90's you didn't have people collecting up and garaging all the half decent 205's and R5 Turbos, plus they were so bad at rusting loads met their natural end, problems the Clio have on a lesser scale.
BMW M4; S1000 RR
Don't get me wrong there will be outliers at both ends.
I'm on the sidelines for this one as I'll never buy another Clio, despite wanting to get one every other week.
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
What's are your other cars
Land Rover
Well
You say that it’s a silly price, but l’ve seen MK5 Cortinas sell for £5,000 in mint low mileage condition, and look at the price of MK1 Escorts.
At £15,000 for the best 205 GTi and R5 GT Turbo, whose to say that mint low mileage Clio 182 Cup won’t eventually go the same way?
Hell, even Morris Marinas are fetching the money now if they are mint....
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You say that it’s a silly price, but l’ve seen MK5 Cortinas sell for £5,000 in mint low mileage condition, and look at the price of MK1 Escorts.
At £15,000 for the best 205 GTi and R5 GT Turbo, whose to say that mint low mileage Clio 182 Cup won’t eventually go the same way?
Hell, even Morris Marinas are fetching the money now if they are mint....
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imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
It may do, in twenty years time.
massiveCoRbyn
ClioSport Club Member
Several
I'm not sure it's a British obsession. I think it matters among those that collect cars. For some, originality is everything, to the point that an unrestored car is worth more than a restored one. A car is only original once, and some people like to maintain that.
Some people just enjoy collecting cars. It's not necessarily about the money. Some keep them in temperature and moisture controlled sheds, some leave them outside to rot, some drive them.
They buy cars that are interesting, quirky, fast, rare, expensive, good, bad, broken, old, whatever takes their fancy.
Let's face it, dropping £8k on a Clio is nothing for some people is nothing. It's coming up on 20-years old, is reasonably iconic, good to drive, so it's inevitable that they will spark the interest of these types.
Good for owners really, as their cars are going to be worth more now.
Exactly that. £8k in the grand scheme of things is not huge money. People drop that on push bikes. It’s great news for most owners on here, so not sure why clio owners talk their car values down so much? Given how good a value track car the clio is, plus the number of hobby breakers there are out there. Numbers of cars are going to drop, making finding a good road spec clio is going to be more and more difficult. I was one of those people years ago with 205’s. Owned 5 of them, sold for next to nothing (because that’s what they were worth) often think ‘if I had just kept one’ but I had my enjoyment and we can’t keep hold of everything forever on the off chance it may go up in value.
jameswrx
ClioSport Club Member
Exactly.
Customer of mine has a collection that’d amaze but most of the time he doesn’t even drive them, well he can’t as it’s not practical to but he is a serious enthusiast and we enjoy just standing, looking and talking about them almost as much as driving.
His goal is to buy a castle or chateau and have them inside with him.
Some of the old ferraris are just art now anyway.
When I took him out in my classic STI he was gobsmacked and would have bought one there on the spot for £10k without even thinking. As soon as we got back he was on autotrader just saying “find me one” getting frustrated because there’s no decent ones about.
We will be doing track day at some point and if I use my 172 and he likes it he’d be amazed he could have one for peanuts I’m sure. £5k might sound like a lot to us but if someone with money takes a shine & listens to Harry metcalf or Henry catchpole wax lyrical about them it’s peanuts money for them.
Customer of mine has a collection that’d amaze but most of the time he doesn’t even drive them, well he can’t as it’s not practical to but he is a serious enthusiast and we enjoy just standing, looking and talking about them almost as much as driving.
His goal is to buy a castle or chateau and have them inside with him.
Some of the old ferraris are just art now anyway.
When I took him out in my classic STI he was gobsmacked and would have bought one there on the spot for £10k without even thinking. As soon as we got back he was on autotrader just saying “find me one” getting frustrated because there’s no decent ones about.
We will be doing track day at some point and if I use my 172 and he likes it he’d be amazed he could have one for peanuts I’m sure. £5k might sound like a lot to us but if someone with money takes a shine & listens to Harry metcalf or Henry catchpole wax lyrical about them it’s peanuts money for them.
Land Rover
I don’t think it’s stupid to compare a different make.
What l was getting at was,
Who would have thought that (for example) old Ford Escorts and Cortinas would go up in value like that.
Sure, the AVO ones and Cosworths were always going to climb.
But the Escort 1.1 that your dad hated even back then, when even a passenger sun visor was an optional extra.
(My dad had the MK2 Escort “Popular Plus” which got you passenger sun visor, “lidded glovebox” and “Popular Plus script on fascia”)
I don’t think the standard Clio will ever go anywhere, except to the scrapyard.
But, based on the values of other 80’s and 90’s performance cars, who’s to say the Clio 182 won’t go a similar way, after all look at the Williams.
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David Stuart
ClioSport Club Member
Low milage, not used at all or used for a few thousand miles a year in good weather is a well trodden path on even established classics. I bought a 1990 Mini Cooper RSP (a pretty special mini of you know them). Bought it for strong money. Kept it for 4 years putting less than £1000 into it over that time in terms of repairs and insurance and sold it for £4500 more than I bought it for.
If you enjoy a standard car and going to car shows this is pretty safe. But you have to think the car is worth it’s money currently as well and be prepared to take a loss on it. No one can tell the future and although things in the press etc are all really positive there is no guarantee these will be worth fortunes in future.
As far as thinking clios will last better than 90’s hot hatches you are sadly mistaken. The number that are being tracked (including me) or run into the ground and broken for bits is what will kill them.
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If you enjoy a standard car and going to car shows this is pretty safe. But you have to think the car is worth it’s money currently as well and be prepared to take a loss on it. No one can tell the future and although things in the press etc are all really positive there is no guarantee these will be worth fortunes in future.
As far as thinking clios will last better than 90’s hot hatches you are sadly mistaken. The number that are being tracked (including me) or run into the ground and broken for bits is what will kill them.
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R3k1355
ClioSport Club Member
I think you just agreed with me?
Yes the Clio Williams is appreciating, but it was released in the early 90's. At the moment it seems like people want the classic car price for a 182 when it's not a classic car yet.
Worthless in 10 years when you can’t drive in town centres and we’re all driving milk floats
