Which of the Renaultsports will be a 'future classic'?

[nebraska182]

Which of the 172/182/197/200/R26 etc will be considered a future 'classic' like the 5 Turbo/Clio Williams in years to come?

Or is it all just down to personal opinion?

 

[DaveDreads]

182 cup with stripes, 182 trophy, possibly 172 cup, and ph1 172's, they'd also more than likely need to be mint unmodified examples to fetch good money in the future.

As for mk3's onwards, god knows.

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

All of them will achieve some kind of classic status eventually, when there are so few left that demand outstrips supply. The 182 Trophy will most likely be the most desirable. I expect the 172 Cup and 200 Cup will achieve reasonable status as they were a bit more special than the regular ones.

 

[boultonn]

Gotta imagine most LY Renaultsports, plus Raiders if they're in decent condition

 

[Tim.]

R26.R already is, no?

 

[nebraska182]

Gotta imagine most LY Renaultsports, plus Raiders if they're in decent condition

I wouldnt attach a certain colour to 'classic' status...a certain model is a classic regardless of colour imo.

 

[Danith]

Any of them, as long as kept in pristine condition. Not high mileage rotters with a multitude of repairs (and non OEM replacement parts).
The only ones that will hold mega bucks will be V6 clios and the R26r, Megane Trophy etc.

Clean Clio 182, 172, Trophies will all become classics, but not in the way that proper cult/investment cars like the above will.

 

[nebraska182]

Any of them, as long as kept in pristine condition. Not high mileage rotters with a multitude of repairs (and non OEM replacement parts).
The only ones that will hold mega bucks will be V6 clios and the R26r, Megane Trophy etc.

Clean Clio 182, 172, Trophies will all become classics, but not in the way that proper cult/investment cars like the above will.

Does that mean Renaultsport never made a bad one hehe? For me,the 197 was the best 'looking' Clio but it wasnt quite the same raw hot hatch the 172/182 was.

For me in the last 15 years,the 182 & R26 stick out as they were regarded best in their class in their era.

 

[Danith]

Does that mean Renaultsport never made a bad one hehe? For me,the 197 was the best 'looking' Clio but it wasnt quite the same raw hot hatch the 172/182 was.

For me in the last 15 years,the 182 & R26 stick out as they were regarded best in their class in their era.

It means that people are very sentimental and there's a hell of a lot of nostalgia tax on cars!

When I was doing my test it was all about Nova SR/GTE/GSI's, XR2, RST's etc. Then everyone hated them cos they were all old and rough and driven by scruffs.

Now you want to get one then dig deep! But are they good cars? No, they're shite!

For me the 172 is a classic. It's held itself at the top of the perch for a genuinely good day to day car and the number one choice for a bargain track car still after 15+ years.

However, they were never made in small enough numbers for them to ever become collectable early on (like the V's and the R26r's) so they'll be used (properly) for longer than the 'investment' cars.

Who would pay £20k even now for an R26r is beyond me when all it is, is a £4k R26 with some light seats, cage, funky exhaust and stickers. But it's OEM limited so those with more money than sense, will!

 

[nebraska182]

It means that people are very sentimental and there's a hell of a lot of nostalgia tax on cars!

When I was doing my test it was all about Nova SR/GTE/GSI's, XR2, RST's etc. Then everyone hated them cos they were all old and rough and driven by scruffs.

Now you want to get one then dig deep! But are they good cars? No, they're shite!

For me the 172 is a classic. It's held itself at the top of the perch for a genuinely good day to day car and the number one choice for a bargain track car still after 15+ years.

However, they were never made in small enough numbers for them to ever become collectable early on (like the V's and the R26r's) so they'll be used (properly) for longer than the 'investment' cars.

Who would pay £20k even now for an R26r is beyond me when all it is, is a £4k R26 with some light seats, cage, funky exhaust and stickers. But it's OEM limited so those with more money than sense, will!

Yeah i agree its too early to talk about the R26R being a classic right now,after only 2008!

Im not sure how many years has to pass to get to classic status ha,but im guessing around 20-25 looking at the Williams.

Do you think the other manufacturers (ford,vauxhall etc) have as many future classics to claim?

 

[Danith]

They'll all be classics to people who like those brands.

 

[Christopher]

All of them will achieve some kind of classic status eventually, when there are so few left that demand outstrips supply. The 182 Trophy will most likely be the most desirable. I expect the 172 Cup and 200 Cup will achieve reasonable status as they were a bit more special than the regular ones.

Pretty much.
182 Trophy and 200 Cup will be particularly sought after because they're highly regarded, but I'd say all of them will appreciate given time.

 

[nebraska182]

They'll all be classics to people who like those brands.

I mean by critics who are impartial...cars that are regarded as 'great' decades on.

 

[imprezaworks]

It means that people are very sentimental and there's a hell of a lot of nostalgia tax on cars!

When I was doing my test it was all about Nova SR/GTE/GSI's, XR2, RST's etc. Then everyone hated them cos they were all old and rough and driven by scruffs.

Now you want to get one then dig deep! But are they good cars? No, they're shite!

For me the 172 is a classic. It's held itself at the top of the perch for a genuinely good day to day car and the number one choice for a bargain track car still after 15+ years.

However, they were never made in small enough numbers for them to ever become collectable early on (like the V's and the R26r's) so they'll be used (properly) for longer than the 'investment' cars.

Who would pay £20k even now for an R26r is beyond me when all it is, is a £4k R26 with some light seats, cage, funky exhaust and stickers. But it's OEM limited so those with more money than sense, will!

Great post

 

[Danith]

Ahhh. Then that's entirely subjective!

205 GTi - group B rally car and saved peugeot from closure

Lancia - first 4wd rally car or something?

Clio 172 - erm, cheap and cheerful track car that floods every track day


Think it needs some story/purpose to be a proper icon/classic

 

[Knuckles]

Which of the 172/182/197/200/R26 etc will be considered a future 'classic' like the 5 Turbo/Clio Williams in years to come?

Or is it all just down to personal opinion?

Yellow 200s

In seriousness though.

182 trophy
Ph1 and ph2 v6

R26
R26.r
Megane trophy R

Maaaaayyyybeeeee a racing blue/liquid yellow 182

No 197s or 200s, or 200ts

Imo of course

 

[Andy Tims]

Trophy and Clio V6 already there.

 

[nebraska182]

Ahhh. Then that's entirely subjective!

205 GTi - group B rally car and saved peugeot from closure

Lancia - first 4wd rally car or something?

Clio 172 - erm, cheap and cheerful track car that floods every track day


Think it needs some story/purpose to be a proper icon/classic

Its true what you say about the Novas etc being sought after now,but they are rubbish cars in essence,they just have that history.

Whereas Renaultsport on the other hand,genuinely made 'great' cars like the 172.

 

[R3k1355]

Trophy always has been because the owners put so much stock in it.

IMO the 172 Cup was the most interesting model as Renault made an effort to cut the weight down.
The 182 Cup was just the poor mans version of the 182, the only special thing about it was the Cup name badge.

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

Yeah i agree its too early to talk about the R26R being a classic right now,after only 2008!

Im not sure how many years has to pass to get to classic status ha,but im guessing around 20-25 looking at the Williams.

Do you think the other manufacturers (ford,vauxhall etc) have as many future classics to claim?

Judging by the prices of old Fords, I would say they have the classic market pretty well wrapped up in terms of 'normal' brands.

 

[nebraska182]

Yellow 200s

In seriousness though.

182 trophy
Ph1 and ph2 v6

R26
R26.r
Megane trophy R

Maaaaayyyybeeeee a racing blue/liquid yellow 182

No 197s or 200s, or 200ts

Imo of course

I agree about the 200 - i owned one for a bit and wouldnt put it anywhere near the same level as a 182. Too many issues like cold start/kangarooing for me,i kept thinking why didnt Renault sort this out at the start? But saying that,its still better than most hot hatches from any other manufacturer hehe.

 

[Danith]

What cars (not just renault) are we defining as classics?

For me its stuff thats been ground breaking (Mk1 golf GTi)

Or cars that are homologations of a standard production car, not just another trim level and a couple of bolt on gizmos (Escort cosworth, e30 M3, etc)

Or something that was of big influence (205 GTi)

There are loads of cars you could say have been great cars or have a proper following. But that doesn't make them classics.

 

[nebraska182]

Judging by the prices of old Fords, I would say they have the classic market pretty well wrapped up in terms of 'normal' brands.

I think Ford still rely really heavily on the rep they gained in the 80/90s with XR2i/Cosworths etc.

Now i see a new Fiesta ST around every corner.

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

I think people need to be careful when they talk about old cars as being 'rubbish'. Yes, a Nova is shite compared to a 182, but it's also 20 years older, so is it any surprise? You have to look at them in context. Judging them on modern criteria is pointless. Ultimately though, how good the car is isn't actually a guide as to whether or not it will achieve classic status. There are many other factors.

 

[nebraska182]

What cars (not just renault) are we defining as classics?

For me its stuff thats been ground breaking (Mk1 golf GTi)

Or cars that are homologations of a standard production car, not just another trim level and a couple of bolt on gizmos (Escort cosworth, e30 M3, etc)

Or something that was of big influence (205 GTi)

There are loads of cars you could say have been great cars or have a proper following. But that doesn't make them classics.

Thats the thing - everyones meaning of classic is different...like someone mentioned a cars colour has a bearing earlier,to me it doesnt.... its the standout cars that got the biggest critique/amazing reviews and lived up to the hype like the 1*2/R26.

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

I think Ford still rely really heavily on the rep they gained in the 80/90s with XR2i/Cosworths etc.

Now i see a new Fiesta ST around every corner.

I'm not sure I agree with that. The fact the Fiesta St is common doesn't seem to matter much to the value of other performance Fords. A good MK1 Focus RS will cost you well over £10k, while the MK2 Focus RS is holding value way beyond it's contemporary rivals too. Fords always seem to end up collectible, whether they're good or not. They have a huge following.

 

[nebraska182]

I'm not sure I agree with that. The fact the Fiesta St is common doesn't seem to matter much to the value of other performance Fords. A good MK1 Focus RS will cost you well over £10k, while the MK2 Focus RS is holding value way beyond it's contemporary rivals too. Fords always seem to end up collectible, whether they're good or not. They have a huge following.

Yeah,they have a huge following due what they did in the 80/90s...they dont seem to be putting the same passion into their recent cars. So many variations and models of the ST line just makes them generic now - the opposite to what a XR3i was.

 

[R3k1355]

I think people need to be careful when they talk about old cars as being 'rubbish'. Yes, a Nova is shite compared to a 182, but it's also 20 years older, so is it any surprise? You have to look at them in context.

Nova had a big following, both with boy racer types but also in proper motorsport with many amateur Rally teams (back when Rallying was still really popular).
That sort of interest translates into money as they appreciate as a classic. The same can be said for the Mk2 Astra GSi.

The story is totally different for other models, even the Cavalier and Calibra have struggled to find a market for anything other than the rare Turbo version.
No-one wants a Senator or an Omega and the only Carlton people are interested in is the Lotus super-saloon.

 

[Mr Plums]

So in years to come when they are worth a bob or two in the future, i can de-turbo my 182, sell all the parts, put it back to standard and sell for a lot more, win win!

 

[R3k1355]

So in years to come when they are worth a bob or two in the future, i can de-turbo my 182, sell all the parts, put it back to standard and sell for a lot more, win win!

Knowing your luck you'll pay some dodgy garage to do all the work, they'll f**k half of it up and steal a ton of parts.
You'll be left with a huge bill and a car held together with spit and gum.

 

[Mr Plums]

Knowing your luck you'll pay some dodgy garage to do all the work, they'll f**k half of it up and steal a ton of parts.
You'll be left with a huge bill and a car held together with spit and gum.

Probably haha.

 

[nebraska182]

Nova had a big following, both with boy racer types but also in proper motorsport with many amateur Rally teams (back when Rallying was still really popular).
That sort of interest translates into money as they appreciate as a classic. The same can be said for the Mk2 Astra GSi.

The story is totally different for other models, even the Cavalier and Calibra have struggled to find a market for anything other than the rare Turbo version.
No-one wants a Senator or an Omega and the only Carlton people are interested in is the Lotus super-saloon.

Ta

Nova had a big following, both with boy racer types but also in proper motorsport with many amateur Rally teams (back when Rallying was still really popular).
That sort of interest translates into money as they appreciate as a classic. The same can be said for the Mk2 Astra GSi.

The story is totally different for other models, even the Cavalier and Calibra have struggled to find a market for anything other than the rare Turbo version.
No-one wants a Senator or an Omega and the only Carlton people are interested in is the Lotus super-saloon.

What possible future classics have Vauxhall made since the 90s? I cant think of any...yeah the Corsa VXR has been popular but it pales in comparison against an RS Clio.

 

[Coops Mk1]

I'm plugging for phase 1 172 or 182 FF................no reason like

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

Yeah,they have a huge following due what they did in the 80/90s...they dont seem to be putting the same passion into their recent cars. So many variations and models of the ST line just makes them generic now - the opposite to what a XR3i was.

The Fiesta ST is lauded by anyone and everyone, as is the Focus RS (along with the last Focus RS), so I don't think Ford could be accused of not putting passion into their recent products. The most recent sporty Fords have actually been some of the best ever produced when compared to their contemporary rivals. Going back to the XR3i era, they were actually a bit average compared to 205 GTIs and Golf GTIs etc. The Cosworths were a cut above, but the rest of the sporting range rarely led its class. They still sold in big numbers, because the brand in general had a big following, regardless of whether they were any good or not. As I have already said, how good a car actually is is only a small factor in whether it achieves classic status or not.

The Clio 200 Cup has plenty of flaws for example, but I still think it will achieve a relatively high status in years to come. Partly because it is considered as a great hot hatch and had a brilliant reputation with the motoring media, but also because it is the last of a breed, the last of the normally aspirated, 'big engine in a small car' type hot hatches. I don't think it will be as desirable as a 182 Trophy, but it will achieve some status in my view.

Nova had a big following, both with boy racer types but also in proper motorsport with many amateur Rally teams (back when Rallying was still really popular).
That sort of interest translates into money as they appreciate as a classic. The same can be said for the Mk2 Astra GSi.

The story is totally different for other models, even the Cavalier and Calibra have struggled to find a market for anything other than the rare Turbo version.
No-one wants a Senator or an Omega and the only Carlton people are interested in is the Lotus super-saloon.

That's just it. There are many, many factors as to what makes a car iconic and collectible. It may be motorsport heritage, speed, looks, handling, a limited production run, whether it was on TV or in a film, whether a famous person owned one or even just people wanting one because their dad used to take them to school in one. There are no hard and fast rules.

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

Ta


What possible future classics have Vauxhall made since the 90s? I cant think of any...yeah the Corsa VXR has been popular but it pales in comparison against an RS Clio.

The VX220 and Astra 888 Coupe are probably their best shots at really iconic classics. But all of the VXR models will appreciate eventually when they become rare enough. It's a shame that Vauxhall have such a crap reputation because the last Astra VXR was actually a really good car.

 

[DrR]

The white R27 dedicated to the guy who lost his brother (I think)

 

[nebraska182]

The Fiesta ST is lauded by anyone and everyone, as is the Focus RS (along with the last Focus RS), so I don't think Ford could be accused of not putting passion into their recent products. The most recent sporty Fords have actually been some of the best ever produced when compared to their contemporary rivals. Going back to the XR3i era, they were actually a bit average compared to 205 GTIs and Golf GTIs etc. The Cosworths were a cut above, but the rest of the sporting range rarely led its class. They still sold in big numbers, because the brand in general had a big following, regardless of whether they were any good or not. As I have already said, how good a car actually is is only a small factor in whether it achieves classic status or not.

The Clio 200 Cup has plenty of flaws for example, but I still think it will achieve a relatively high status in years to come. Partly because it is considered as a great hot hatch and had a brilliant reputation with the motoring media, but also because it is the last of a breed, the last of the normally aspirated, 'big engine in a small car' type hot hatches. I don't think it will be as desirable as a 182 Trophy, but it will achieve some status in my view.



That's just it. There are many, many factors as to what makes a car iconic and collectible. It may be motorsport heritage, speed, looks, handling, a limited production run, whether it was on TV or in a film, whether a famous person owned one or even just people wanting one because their dad used to take them to school in one. There are no hard and fast rules.

The last gen Focus RS will be a future classic purely for all the vents/intakes hehe..it really stood out. The latest one looks like a standard focus with an RS badge!

 

[R3k1355]

What possible future classics have Vauxhall made since the 90s? I cant think of any...yeah the Corsa VXR has been popular but it pales in comparison against an RS Clio.

VX220 is already demanding big money, the VXR range maybe but it's quite hit and miss.
They're quite hamstrung by GM's inability to actually build a decent car, early models were renowned for handling issues mostly down to torque steer.

It will be the Astra models people will be after though, they did Vectra, Insignia and Zafira models, but no-one gave a s**t about them.
Probably didn't help that all the models had tragic styling through most of the 00's.

 

[nebraska182]

Tbh,whenever i see an old 80s car on the road now like a volvo estate or a lada...il shout classic!!

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

The last gen Focus RS will be a future classic purely for all the vents/intakes hehe..it really stood out. The latest one looks like a standard focus with an RS badge!

What it looks like won't matter. It's got the badge and that might be enough. Never mind the fact that it's such a unique car under the skin with the drive train. The number it's been produced in compared to the previous model might hurt it, but I'm sure it will still do ok in classic terms.