Which of the Renaultsports will be a 'future classic'?

[nebraska182]

What it looks like won't matter. It's got the badge and that might be enough. Never mind the fact that it's such a unique car under the skin with the drive train. The number it's been produced in compared to the previous model might hurt it, but I'm sure it will still do ok in classic terms.

Youre not saying any of the current Ford RS will be a future classic are you haha. Even the current RS Clio would get nowhere near that status imo.

 

[Coops Mk1]

The Clio 200 Cup has plenty of flaws for example, but I still think it will achieve a relatively high status in years to come. Partly because it is considered as a great hot hatch and had a brilliant reputation with the motoring media, but also because it is the last of a breed, the last of the normally aspirated, 'big engine in a small car' type hot hatches.

you spelt big engine in land yacht wrong ;-)

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

Youre not saying any of the current Ford RS will be a future classic are you haha. Even the current RS Clio would get nowhere near that status imo.

I suspect plenty of MK1/2 Escort owners said that Cosworths would never be worth much either. Never underestimate what someone will be willing to pay for an old Ford.

you spelt big engine in land yacht wrong ;-)

Ha!

 

[Knuckles]

What possible future classics have Vauxhall made since the 90s? I cant think of any...yeah the Corsa VXR has been popular but it pales in comparison against an RS Clio.

None.

"Their" holden models however could end up as classics

 

[Knuckles]

The white R27 dedicated to the guy who lost his brother (I think)

I don't think an individual car can drive a whole model line into being special/classics though (unless I misunderstood your post?)

The white r27 is a really nice gesture and is a tangible example of renaultsports dedication to its customer/fan base

R27s, gordinis, raiders and what ever 'special edition' mk3 Renault cooked up won't be classics as they're not special enough.

Throwing some options and paint at a car does not make them special. That's not a dig at you, it's just an observation on renaults idea of special edition cars

 

[Lctr]

There should be more so called classics (xr2 ,rs focus , clio ) etc about in years to come as cars don't rust as much, so will they go up in value like cars are today? ,what about fuel in the future?

 

[R3k1355]

None.

"Their" holden models however could end up as classics

They already are, but on the other side of the world.

IIRC Holden shut down domestic production recently, so all models prior to that will be automatically 'awesome' because they were home made.

 

[R3k1355]

R27s, gordinis, raiders and what ever 'special edition' mk3 Renault cooked up won't be classics as they're not special enough.

Throwing some options and paint at a car does not make them special. That's not a dig at you, it's just an observation on renaults idea of special edition cars

*Cough* 182 Trophy *Cough*

 

[Goodj]

IIRC Holden shut down domestic production recently, so all models prior to that will be automatically 'awesome' because they were home made.

It's entirely true.

The new Commodore is going to be an Insignia, for instance.

Of course, future Vauxhalls & Holdens will be rebadged Peugeots too

 

[R3k1355]

Of course, future Vauxhalls & Holdens will be rebadged Peugeots too

God, I can feel the righteous indignation coming from the mouth of every Australian already.

I hope Peugeot go the full hog as well, cheesy TV adverts with loads of kangaroo's and men stood around BBQ's.

Introducing, the new Holden Commodore

 

[Goodj]

God, I can feel the righteous indignation coming from the mouth of every Australian already.
I hope Peugeot go the full hog as well, cheesy TV adverts with loads of kangaroo's and men stood around BBQ's.

Vauxhall already have form on this...

But missed out by not including

 

[Knuckles]

*Cough* 182 Trophy *Cough*

At least the trophy got special wheels, spoiler and suspension so you couldn't spec a regular 182 to be the same as the trophy

 

[Danith]

At least the trophy got special wheels, spoiler and suspension so you couldn't spec a regular 182 to be the same as the trophy

Trophy will never be a classic to me. Probably will to a loads of Renault nuts though. that's all it is, a 182 with a slightly different spoiler, overcomplicated dampers and crap plastic recaros.
Just a ltd edition.

 

[Goodj]

Trophy will never be a classic to me. Probably will to a loads of Renault nuts though. that's all it is, a 182 with a slightly different spoiler, overcomplicated dampers and crap plastic recaros.
Just a ltd edition.

This.

in Mazda land, every other month there's a new "Special" edition, which typically revolves around a new paint code, wheels, some interior trim and putting a diff on the 1.6.
Are they any more special than one that doesn't have a 23/100 plaque? Only to the person owning it, maybe.

Besides, in both camps, the car would have to be 100% Genuine OEM, and, if it's been on this forum, thats unlikely, at best. Otherwise it's just another modified Clio, get in the pile with the rest of them.

 

[R3k1355]

At least the trophy got special wheels, spoiler and suspension so you couldn't spec a regular 182 to be the same as the trophy

The spoiler was robbed off the V6, so while it wasn't an option on a regular 182 it also wasn't an exclusive item.

I don't know what the deal was with the Turini's though, were they easily available aftermarket or something because everyone seems to have a set??

 

[R3k1355]

in Mazda land, every other month there's a new "Special" edition, which typically revolves around a new paint code, wheels, some interior trim and putting a diff on the 1.6.
Are they any more special than one that doesn't have a 23/100 plaque? Only to the person owning it, maybe.

Makes for much amusement in sale adverts online though
"It's a special edition" yea, they all were mate.

I've even seen people put ltd edition plaque's onto a car that didn't have them to try and give it provenance 😂😂

 

[Jon46]

The ones that don't get tracked, driven through a Halfords front window, then adorned with all matter of spoilers, checker plate floor mats, go faster air freshness and suspension kits that drop them lower than your grannies nipples.

If it's a 172/182/197 Cup or none-Cup model. I don't think it matter, if it's got good history, low miles then it will be worth something to someone, somewhere

Remember, to be a classic, well in my eyes anyway. You have to see an old car and think "Wow! Mr what's his name down the street had one of those" or have a personal attachment to a particular model of car

End of the day, a car is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

For me the 172 Cup is the only special RenaultSport. Thinner glass, no air con, no abs, no traction control, more caster, best wheels.

Only thing that comes close is the Trophy which is just a 182 Cup with Sach dampers n questionably upgraded seats.

172 Cup gets my vote for most likely to achieve future classic car status.

 

[Mr Plums]

Id rather have a cup than a trophy.

 

[STEVE.M]

Is this a classic car?

 

[Mr Plums]

Trophies for show cups for go.

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

Is this a classic car?

Cosworth Ute! Good call don't see many of those about.

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

And unless I'm very much mistaken it looks like Rolf Harris is in the back ground getting a hand job wow that pictures got a lot going on..

 

[James363]

Ahhh. Then that's entirely subjective!

205 GTi - group B rally car and saved peugeot from closure

Lancia - first 4wd rally car or something?

Clio 172 - erm, cheap and cheerful track car that floods every track day


Think it needs some story/purpose to be a proper icon/classic

205 GTi was not the homologation version of the group B rally car, that was the 205 T16, immediately recognisable as the engine is in the back, much the same as the R5 Turbo (not to be mistaken for the GTT). The 205 GTi is essentially very similar in idea and history to the MK1 Golf GTI and the Clio 172 IMO, in that it was cheap, quick, but not a homologation car, nor made in limited numbers, just made to be fun. Look at the rate people break 172's now days, the numbers must be dropping off, as young drivers can't insure them, and who else wants to run around in a 14 year old french hatchback? I think the clio's will get there but not in the near future.
The Lancia, I assume you mean the Lancia Delta Integrale, wasn't the first 4WD rally car, the first successful top flight 4WD rally car was the Audi Quattro. However the Lancia was the homologation version of a group B car, and that's why the Integrale Evo 2 prices are edging ever closer to 100k. Silly money really, but everyone loves to pretend they're Ari Vatanen.
I think the clios will follow in the footsteps of MK1 Golf GTI's and 205 GTI's, especially the Cups and Trophies, but the Lancia is in a different league in terms of how collectable they will become.

 

[David Stuart]

Clio 182 for sure. Just have a think about how much the Clio Williams has moved in 10 years to classic status. Different cars I know. The Williams was always very collectible. But what you often see in the classic car world is how later marks follow earlier cars when they become unaffordable to most. Mk2 golfs rise in price as mk1's hit £15k.

I disagree on the trophy with a few of you. It's the story that tends to come to the top with classic cars and special editions. The trophy has a good story and is definitely the Clio that will see classic status first.

RE ridiculous limited editions. If you think Mazda are bad try rover with the mini in the 90's. I think it's still the record with over 50 "limited editions". Badge engineering at its best/worst.


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[nebraska182]

All this talk of limited runs of cars and 'special editions' has nothing to do with being a classic. Look at the Mark I Beetles and Minis - were mass produced worldwide but they are bonafide classics now.

 

[massiveCoRbyn]

Well, I guess the answer is simple. All cars become classic when they get old enough, but some models are more classic than others.

In terms of the RS Clio, all will become classic but some models will always be more desirable.

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

But will they exist long enough to achieve said status? Most Renault 5's and Mk1 Clio's have turned into brown stains on driveways. Can't see Renault's current/recent offerings fairing any better.

 

[David Stuart]

All this talk of limited runs of cars and 'special editions' has nothing to do with being a classic. Look at the Mark I Beetles and Minis - were mass produced worldwide but they are bonafide classics now.

You are correct that of itself a limited edition does not make a classic. But if a car gains classic status ( which is what we are guessing at ) then limited editions can command a premium. A trophy clio looks like a good example of that.

I own 2 classic minis. One is a special
Edition and one isn't. They are great examples of this.

My 2000 cooper sport is the same in every way except name and a little plaque to a cooper sport 500. My car is worth 10k. A 500 in the same condition is worth 60-70% more. In your example the fact that the mini is regarded as a classic is what makes them both worth money. They fact you can buy one of the last 500 ever made is what commands an extra premium.


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[Dark Side]

For me the 172 Cup is the only special RenaultSport. Thinner glass, no air con, no abs, no traction control, more caster, best wheels.

Only thing that comes close is the Trophy which is just a 182 Cup with Sach dampers n questionably upgraded seats.

172 Cup gets my vote for most likely to achieve future classic car status.

I hope your right having just bought one with just 35k miles in o.e spec

 

[Ash255welch]

A trophy with sensible miles, low owners and oem spec will always be worth decent money in the future.
Limited edition and the pinnacle model of the early RS models, well thought of by motoring press and the harry metcalfe factor- and with it 'just' being a 182 in a stand out colour with the fancy Sachs and Recaro parts will also be readily available with the amount of parts in common with a 'regular 182' will mean ownership and servicing costs aren't crazy money in comparison to something like a ph2 v6. Means it doesn't break the bank to keep one as a second car and may command a premium to people who want a classic?

The only thing is i cant see them gaining in massive amounts of value to what they are now, when some of the best examples are 15k+ already- i'd be happy to be proved wrong but if prices climbed to 20-25k they're in competition with some real thorough bread stuff like exiges/ v6 clios etc.


Really interested to see what peoples take on the 172 'exclusive' model is? Theres a low mileage minter up for sale at the minute for 10k ish, cant imagine that will gain much in value unless its stored away for x amount of years until hardly any are left?

Ash

 

[R3k1355]

No-one has ever liked the Exclusive model, it's an ugly pig and has been overlooked in favour of Cups and the Trophy.

Personally I can't see it doing well ever, who's paying strong money for a car no-one wanted in the first place??

 

[nebraska182]

I think if we saw a 172/182 on the road in 10 years time,we would just think 'classic' - im not bothered if its a cup/trophy or a normal one. I dont think that has anything to do with it.

I do think the twin tailpipes on the 182 give it more of an 'iconic' look though.

 

[Andyano12]

Really interesting hearing peoples thoughts on what will be a future classic car from the Renaultsport range, imho the future classics are the limited run models or the models which have something special about them, so 182 trophy, 172 cup etc. This is all quite subjective however, down to personal preference and if people will want to buy them in the future. The classic car market is a strange one, a car can be worth nothing and then one day the wind changes and everybody wants one and the prices shoot up (205 gti, mk1 golf gti, mk1 mini).

 

[culpz]

PH1 172's, 172 Cup's and 182 Trophy's. All 3 are starting to command a hefty premium over the normal variants.

I can't see 172 Exclusive's going the same way. That low mileage one up for 10k is ridiculous, seeing as you can get a decent 182 Trophy for less than that. That seller is clearly living in dreamland as they're only worth what someone's willing to pay. No-one has ever or will ever horde the Exclusive models compared to the above examples.

 

[R3k1355]

There was a high mile Exclusive for sale not long ago, struggled to make a few hundred quid IIRC.
No way the low mile examples are worth 10 grand while others you can't even give away.

 

[STEVE.M]

You don`t see many of these in RHD.
£30k anyone?

 

[STEVE.M]

The real threat to future classic prices will be the physiological assessment you will have to pass, to justify why you need a vehicle that you actually control in person.

 

[TirelessEnigma]

There's so many 1*2 that are cheap enough for anyone to buy and turn into track cars that will kill a lot of them off or theyll just get scrapped. Give it another 10 years and any of the good ones left will be worth money. That will also push the rough examples up too. Years ago when mk 2 escorts were worth nothing I scrapped quite a few and sold them cheaply. Look at them now! About 6 years ago I was given a r5 gt for doing some work on their car (it needs work). Ive still got that. Just after that they have increased in value a lot.
I have recently purchased a 182ff that I've turned into stripped out track car now. I don't care about the future that much. I want my track car now. Future monetary value can't compete with today's fun. I'm not waiting 10 - 20 years even though I know it will be worth a lot then.

 

[m&l172ph1]

A Classic is down to Age in my opinion.
Whether it's desirable is a different thing all together. I sold my S2 Rs turbo just over 3 years ago for £6k. It's probably worth at least 10 -12k now! At the end of the Day it was an xr3i with a turbo, bodykit and recaro's! Much the same as a trophy or a cup, it's a special edition.

I remember one of my uncle's calling Xr2/3's Tampons. He said they're Usually Red and every C**t's got one! Now look at them.

Cars command value when demand outweighs the supply, which is the way phase 1's are going at the moment. There aren't many good ones for sale anymore. They're all track cars or been broken up. It'll still take a while for the values to get there. It's a cycle of when a car becomes out of reach in value to people the next model starts to become desirable.

I've worked on classics for over 20 years, I've seen the prices go mental. We Had a 1969 Dbs auto we could not sell for £3k!
Now they're fetching over £150k because a Db5 is around £800k and a db6 is £500k.

Limited production no.s and heritage helps a lot.
But I'd rather drive my phase 1 than a Dbs auto any day of the week. It's still as sh*t as it was when it was 3k!
It's all to do with investment these days!